Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonio de la Rúa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. NawlinWiki 15:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Antonio de la Rúa

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Article about non-notable person.

• Delete* - Article is about a non-noteable person. It appears an article was created for this person just based on the fact that he is at the time of this dicussion dating pop star Shakira. This in and of itself does not make him notable. Aside from that the only other fact that may give credit to his notability is he is the son of former Argentine President Fernando de la Rúa. However being the offspring of a notable person does not instantly make you noteable. A quick google of this man yields almost not notable information. It has been proven that Thomas Jefferson bore at least 1 or more children outside of his marriage and yet the children themselves or not of note and currently do not have articles themselves. Until the subject of this article does something noteworthy he does not need a page here. Tigerman81 08:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, I will have to disagree. While the creator of this article may have only stressed this person connection with Shakira, there is alot more to him then this article states. He formed a political group in Argentina and was an advisor to his father during his father presidency. His article in Spanish Wikipedia clearly states all of that.. I have added additional sources to his article, but do not have the time now nor the inclination to go about translating it. He is extremly notable in Argentina for his legal and political actions and unfortunatly known through the rest of the world because of his connection with shakira. Callelinea 14:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Question if he's the subject of numerous media articles, wouldn't that qualify him for notability? On the other hand, if all these sources are Spanish-language, then perhaps he lacks notability for the English language Wikipedia. Rklawton 14:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting question, but if English Wikipedia is for only well-known English reported subjects we would be missing out on alot of important information. If our State department only reads things that are printed in English, imagine how little information our government would have when we would have to analize a situation in a non-English speaking country.Callelinea 14:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

And how is this subject important (other than to readers of gossip magazines)? Rklawton 14:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Did you bother to read my initial comment of Strong Keep? Callelinea 14:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

We have been asked to evaluate the article, and that information is not in the article. Rklawton 21:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought the problem with the article is that there was a question as to the notability of the person. If the person is notable and it is sourced then it should be included as a stub and in the future someone can add on to it. Or do all Wiki articles have to be perfect and complete from the moment they appear? Callelinea 07:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete: Article does not adequately assert notability. If all this other notable stuff is available, get it into the article and then make the case here. Hu 15:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The information on the Spanish wikipedia for this person clearly establishes his notability - and is well sourced in Spanish as shown by the automated google translation [1]. The article could easily be expanded by someone who speaks Spanish and if he was from an English speaking country this would never have got here which is the sort of systematic bias we need to address. Davewild 17:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per arguments by Callelinea and good points by Davewild. Notability successfully crosses languages and cultures. So a notable well sourced article on es wikipedia can be a notable well sourced article here. Paxse 19:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. A recent edit [2] removed all references from the article, during this AfD - that will make it tough to expand. Paxse 21:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Based on the research that I did which I will admit was not overly extensive it does not appear that the subject of this article has "numerous" media articles about him. The articles I found about him for for very small issues mostly related to something his father did. But keep in mind that just have an arbitrary amount of media articles about you doesn't automatically qualify you for notability. For example the mayor of a town of 7000 people might have an article about him in the paper every week concerning some decision he made concerning the community. Does that mean that the mayor of every city in America deserves a wiki page? I don't think so really. The media articles mention should have some sort of substance to them in and of themselves. I think the problem with this article is that if it were expanded and could provide more meaningful information about him which could prove notability then it could be allowed to stay. As of now it does not, and since this AfD began it does not appear that anyone has attempted to do so, and even the lack of discussion on this page suggest that either many are not interested or have no idea who this person is outside of the few short sentences contained in said article. Therefore I stand by my original assertion that the article be deleted. --Tigerman81 22:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per Callelinea, Davewild, and after reading the Spanish version of the article. He's notable without having to answer an intriguing question: can someone be notable to a non-English Wikipedia but not be notable for inclusion here? All Wikipedias should have the same standard of notability, and it would be a shame that you have to be notable in English-speaking people's eyes regardless of one's impact on non-English speaking peoples. But, he's sufficiently notable we don't have to go there. Carlossuarez46 06:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment As has been pointed out already the level of notability of this man is not sufficient enough to have a page on the English Wiki system. This has nothing to do race. Does it not stand to reason that if a person has enough notability that their wiki page would contain more than just one paragraph about them?. This article has existed on the wiki system for well over a year now and has not grown more than a few sentences now. Whats worse is two people have already said that it could be expanded but they weren't interested in doing it. It seems that attitude is facing a number of people on this article. I would have no problem expanding the article myself except that I know nothing about him because I simply can't find it. I don't speak Spanish and I would venture to say that a good portion of people on the English wiki pages do not either. If no one is willing to expand this article than it should be deleted or marked as a stub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerman81 (talk • contribs)

• Well it already has a "start" category in biography, but stub is fine with me, as long as it is kept. I would like someone involved in Argentine articles to work on it. My expertise is Cuban stuff and even though I know some Spanish some of the terminalogy in the Spanish Wikipedia article about him is a little over my head.Callelinea 22:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Spanish Wikipedia article establishes notability, can expand this article based on that. Also English Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which is written in English, not an encyclopedia restricted to using only English sources or writing only about topics which Anglophones find notable. See for example this deletion review (unanimous except for the original closing admin). There's no such concept as "notable in Spanish but not notable in English". cab 09:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 14:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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