Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alka Seltzer Rocket

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This listing received a number of pro-deletion and pro-merge comments in the first six hours or so after nomination, but the article was considerably expanded thereafter--not least by the original nominator, who tried to withdraw the deletion nomination (the afd template was absent for about 20 hours but this has not affected the debate).

As well as this, one other delete commentator came back and changed his mind, and another said "keep if cleaned up."

The article has had just two new comments since the expansion, both in favor of keeping the improved version. The article appears to be well referenced. Any further problems that may exist can be resolved by merging or editing. --Tony Sidaway 05:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Note: non-admin closure. --Fang Aili ^talk 17:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alka Seltzer Rocket

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Guess what? If you fill a film cannister with fizzy liquid and shake it about a bit, the lid flies off! Something that was made up one day. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 10:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete As nom.Alberon 10:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a speedy candidate, but violates WP:NOT#HOWTO and fails the notability criteria (lack of sources). --B. Wolterding 10:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Cleaned up somewhat, not only a howto anymore. However, merge to water rocket as proposed on the page. I don't see the necessity of a stand-alone article for each type of homemade "rocket" that uses a different type of fuel. --B. Wolterding 13:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
    • A merge with water rocket then change to homemade rockets is ok. However, I think Hot water rocket is a more likely candidate for a merge.--Lenticel ^(talk) 21:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
      • I don't see a link to hot water rocket, since the water is not hot. Alka Seltzer does not heat up creating steam. 132.205.99.122 21:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
        • I agree that this has the feel of an article which should be merged somewhere, but I'm not sure either of these is the right place. They seem to have somewhat different principles - as far as I can see the Water rocket uses a sustained jet of water over a period of time, whereas this relies mainly on a more or less instantaneous release of gas and the lid of the cannister. Lenticel's suggestion below of renaming and expanding may be better. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 21:33, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Fails notability and verifiability criteria as well as being completely OR, better delete this before somebody loses a eye trying to pull this stunt. - Caribbean~H.Q. 11:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per all of the above. —dustmite 13:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. While the article is not currently very well written and the topic is not nearly as notable as the Saturn rocket, this is certainly not original research made up one day by a Wikipedia user. It is a common science demonstration mentioned in multiple books[1] and at least one respectable science education journal.[2] --Itub 13:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
• delete in current form, as per Wolterding but keep if cleaned up. --Moglex 14:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll do a rewrite shortly when I have a few more minutes. In the meantime I withdraw this - looks like I was a little hasty. I stand corrected - thanks Itub. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 14:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
    • As there are others supporting deletion, it's too late to withdraw the nomination and the discussion needs to run its course. WP:SK only applies if the nom withdraws and no-one else has supported a delete. Thomjakobsen 03:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
      • You are right, but I'd like to ask the delete voters to compare the re-written version of the article with the one that was nominated for deletion ([3]) and reconsider. --Itub 09:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and expand but rename as sodium bicarbonate rocket or better. Alka-Seltzer rockets work due to the citric acid and soda chemical reaction. There are other chemical demonstrations that use soda and vinegar rather than the drug[4]. Be warned, most of the sources are children's books--Lenticel ^(talk) 11:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
• Comment - Not to use trite arguments, but these are fun to make. shoy (^words _words) 17:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Article appears to be much improved and I cannot find a rationale for deletion. No more bongos 21:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.