Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airdates of Desperate Housewives

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Majorly 21:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airdates of Desperate Housewives

Airdates of Desperate Housewives (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Per WP:NOT, this is an indiscriminate collection of information, and Wikipedia is not a TV directory. Also per the AfD of Airdates of Lost. Unlike many other 'Airdates' articles that I've seen, the listing of individual episode articles makes this one perfectly redundant of List of Desperate Housewives episodes. -- Wikipedical 20:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete or redirect to List of Desperate Housewives episodes, as nominator. -- Wikipedical 20:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - no deletion reason provided. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Good page for combating American bias of WP. All info is verifiable and not indiscrimate, it's exactly what it says it is, airdates of DH. As far as NOT a tv directory, this page is about past airings as much as current, which is different from a TV directory. - Peregrine Fisher 21:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, but listing every showing of every episode on every country is not encylopedic and is a TV directory. -- Wikipedical 21:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I don't see how this page is redundant. Foreign dates aren't on List of Desperate Housewives episodes, are they? --Milo H Minderbinder 21:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect per Wikipedical. no need to have this page. each date could be included in the individual episope pages. --Tainter 00:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • delete per the reasoning in the House article above. This is not a vehicle to combat american bias, it is an utterly non-notable TV-directory-style list of trivial information--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 00:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The airdates are already listed here. Cheater1908 01:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
If they are, I definitely don't see them, nor on the individual article pages. As I asked above, could you point me to the foreign airdates on List of Desperate Housewives episodes? If this page does get deleted, the info on it needs to get moved either there or to the individual episode pages since the foreign info doesn't seem to exist anywhere else. --Milo H Minderbinder 13:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
No, the deleted material definitely does not need to be moved. If the page gets deleted, moving the deleted material back to another article blatantly violates WP:SPEEDY#General criteria #4 and the consensus in this AfD that the foreign airdates are not for Wikipedia. And yes, we should not be able to point out the foreign airdates because they are unencyclopedic indiscriminate information that would be useful in a TV directory. -- Wikipedical 23:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone needs to make up their mind why this needs to be deleted. Because it already exists elsewhere? Or because it shouldn't be on wikipedia at all? Which is it? If this article gets deleted, fine. But it's a little alarming to see people weighing in with arguments that are blatantly false. --Milo H Minderbinder 00:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Dmz. Whilst this is not redundant to List of Desperate Housewives episodes, that which it comprises is unencyclopedic; an enumeration of other-than-original airdates for every episode, especially as a stand-alone article, is certainly disfavored by NOT, as Wikipedical quite well observes. Joe 04:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Unencyclopedic = WP:NOT, but I don't see the problem. The closest one is "Wikipedia is not a directory." But that's about promoting upcoming events, not cataloguing past airdates. If the page was only the upcoming episodes, there might be a case to be made. None of the "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" fit either. FAQ, travel guide, memorial, instruction manual, web guide, text book, plot summary, lyrics, school work; none of these fit this page. I think it's American bias to discount the value of this international television information. - Peregrine Fisher 01:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NOT#IINFO, WP:NOT#DIR. Soap opera fandom knows no bounds! Only of trivial interest, and should reside (if at all) in the article List of Desperate Housewives episodes. It's clear that it is an international hit, but I'm sure no-one deeply cares exactly on what date every episode was shown in the UK, let alone Portugal? In addition, it appears the choice of which countries feature in the top list is inconsistent and may be arbitrary. A separate article for this info would be wholly unjustified. We don't need a list of international release dates for albums of any musican either. Ohconfucius 04:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
    How does it violate WP:NOT#IINFO and WP:NOT#DIR, I didn't find anything in either that is relevant to this page. - Peregrine Fisher 05:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed. Wikipedia is not a TV guide or to list schedules. And frankly, it is just not encylopedic whatsoever to list every where every episode was ever aired. That is a list of indiscriminate information that violates WP:NOT#INFO. -- Wikipedical 05:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
    It doesn't fail "not a directory" because that deals with promoting upcoming events. It doesn't fail any of the 9 indiscriminate collection of information bullets. Which of the 9 (FAQ, travel guide, memorial, instruction manual, web guide, text book, plot summary, lyrics, school work) do you think this page falls under. If you look at those, they deal with stuff like promoting a website or travel destination. None of that applies. If you look at WP:IDONTLIKEIT#It_is_unencyclopedic, you'll see that citing a specific section of WP:NOT is the key to using it an AfD. That's what I'd like to see addressed. - Peregrine Fisher 06:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, part 3. Tarc 23:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    It doesn't seem like that applies. A directory is for looking up people, web sites, upcoming TV airdates, etc. This is a historical record of past international airdates. - Peregrine Fisher 00:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
"Historical record" and "directory" would be synonymous in this case. Also, give your stated intentions above regarding perceived bias, might we conclude that your opposition is based on making a point rather than the subject of the info itself? Tarc 14:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.