Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advanced software concepts

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Socks and SPAs given due weight. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advanced software concepts

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non notable company Excariver (talk) 19:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh very well. So obscure that no-one noticed this article. Delete - non-notable company. Self-promotion, original author is called "ASC-Brian" and appears to have no other contributions to the encyclopedia (at least under that name), no sales figures or employment statistics asserting leadership in an industry or importance to a local economy, not every consulting firm deserves an article, no notable innovations. I've read the article and looked at their Web site and I still don't know what they *do* or why anyone would call them. None of the principles listed on the Web site have Wikipedia articles either. --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete as per nom The page serves solely to promote the company WP:ADVERTISING. Bardcom (talk) 16:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Keep This article is being developed to highlight the importance of contract management, the importance of legally binding contracts and their value to any business. Contracts are the binding relationships between a company and its customers and suppliers. The purpose of this article to offer more information on the topic of contract management, which appears to have very few contributions in Wikipedia thus far and to attract more input from other sources. Advanced Software Concepts is not a consulting firm but is one of many companies including Oracle and OpenText that offer contract management solutions. In terms of contract management innovations, ASC offers an unique, innovative and secure solution that follows international standards. Additional information is available on ASC's web site. As for sales figures, ASC is listed as one of the top 250 Canadian Software companies.ASC-Brian (talk) 18:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment Have you (User:ASC-Brian) read the Wikipedia policy at Wikipedia: Conflict of Interest ? Generally self-promotion (or promotion of one's employer's products and services) is heavily frowned upon here; you can appreciate the potential for abuse. I'm also concerned about the quality of the article and Web site since neither one explains what the company does in a clear fashion. Are you lawyers? Are you selling some kind of electric filing cabinet? Can you define what you sell without using buzzwords that convey no meaning to the outsider? To be honest, none of the many Web pages that pop up in Google when I type in " contract management" make much sense to me either - I'm sure they are also offering unique, standard, international, secure "solutions". The Wikipedia article contract management is unpromising as well, since it starts off defining "contract management" as "the management of contracts". This seems unsatisfying. I wasn't aware there were as many as 250 companies selling software in Canada, but that hardly makes the company notable for an encyclopedia article. Are you into 8 figures annual sales? --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

"KEEP!" I am reading the article and do not see where the company is "promoting" itself. It is written very similarily to other articles on other companies describing who they are and what they do as well as their history - seems most companies are following the same template. What part of this article is seen as being "self promoting"? Contract Management Software that has been around for a while and is gaining recognition all the time (see the AberdeenGroup research or Forrester Research papers- links are provided in the article). If people don't know about some of the latest trends, I beleive an encyclopedia should be where one can turn to to find both the history and latest trends in this information. I wasn't aware that a company had to be a 8 figure annual sales entity to be notable for an encyclopedia entry. If this is the case, we will miss a lot of good and valuable information. The Wikipedia articles on Contract Management and Contract Management Software are simply stubs, but as they have not been deleted, there is obviously a need to have this information in the encyclopedia and more importantly a need to expand on this information to better educate people about it. I think the ASC article is a good start.--JoA08 (talk) 20:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment Edits to this page are the only contributions for User:JoA08. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment I feel that this article is written in a neutral tone. I have compared it to many articles such as Corel or Emergis and do not see anything more notable in those articles, except for all of the negative aspects of Corel's founder as well as the company's various missteps. ASC has been listed in the top 250 Canadian Software companies for the past 3 years. This is through hard work and ingenuity and I believe there are many more software companies in Canada than you give Canadians credit for. I am also planning to contribute to the articles on Contract Management and Contract Management Software in order to provide more information that will help educate people in these areas. I also find it interesting that as someone who is interested in electrical engineering and after you had viewed ASC's web site, you brought up the terms lawyers and electric filing cabinet. This is because in terms of legally binding documents (although we are not lawyers by trade), we do in fact frequently deal with lawyers and paralegals from our clients' legal department and that as far as Contract Management is concerned, our company's solution can be viewed as an electronic filing cabinet of sorts. Bravo! ASC-Brian (talk) 21:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.