Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/33 Portland Place

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 03:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 33 Portland Place

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An unnotable address which could be anywhere, as it fails to give any more detail than that (some detective work reveals it to be in London). I have tried to speedy it but it was restored, so, fine, here it is to clog up AFD. Its purported claim to notability is that Lord Edward Davenport had orgies there. This information is already in the Lord Davenport article, and this article is both pointless and worthless. We don't have articles on houses where things happened, we have article on the event or the person, unless the house is notable in and of itself (e.g. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, 10 Downing Street, and so on). Wikipedia is not an address book. Delete. Neil ╦ 10:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom, echoes my thoughts exactly. Maybe the address could redirect to the Lord Davenport article? DarkSaber2k 10:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. This is part of an edit war involving the Davenport article. So this is essentially a fork. Kill it. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• I accept what you say about its original purpose, but the article as it currently stands could not be accused of being a POV fork. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 10:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Very little digging shows Woohookitty is correct. Pedro |  Chat  10:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The article was clearly not speediable. The property itself is very notable; it's not 10 Downing Street, but it's not 13/23 Nowhere Street, Boredomville, either. We may not have articles on houses where single events happened, but when multiple events (okay, at least two mega-super-notable events that I know of) happen there we have to stop and say, "Hmm, maybe this place is worth knowing about". I for one would like to know more about what happened to it before its High Commision days, how much legal wrangling occurred between Sierra Leone and this Davenport chap, and just what exactly it is that he's doing with the property now (it's widely-advertised as a venue for idle rich parties and corporate getaways). I could maybe see a merge with Portland Street or (at a pinch) Lord Edward Davenport, at worst. This doesn't need deletion; it needs expansion and watching. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 10:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it was speedy worthy either if that means anything. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Mark, you mean Portland Place, right? Portland Street is in Hong Kong. :p A merge might be okay, but I really don't see anything worth keeping. Neil ╦ 10:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Ta. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 12:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete this self-evident fork. I'd say it was speediable as an attack, but replacing it with a redirect would have been fine. I would have left the history deleted, though. Guy (Help!) 11:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I think there's potential here beyond a simple fork. The article as it is now (improved by Rowing88 (talk · contribs) and Yours Truly) could hardly be characterised as another shot in an edit war. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 12:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletions. -- -- pb30<talk> 12:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: I agree with nom about the serious non-notability of the subject. So it was the location of Some Guy's orgies ... well, everything happens somewhere. You would think the location where Kitty Genovese was murdered a great deal more notable, but in fact that spot doesn't have a Wikipedia entry either.  RGTraynor  16:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep: The scandal surrounding it's aquisation from the high commision of Siera Leone seems notablish. Could be merged and redirect to Lord Edward Davenport too. Martijn Hoekstra 16:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a mirror of everything in British tabloids. Or redirect to article on Mr. Davenport. Edison 17:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete — Per nom. In addition to the nom's rationale, I had no search engine hits, so there is definitley not enough notability. *Cremepuff222* 19:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

  See below comment - not being on the net does not mean something isn't notable. Neil ╦ 22:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete in agreement with the nominator. Acalamari 20:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete lots of places are only notable in connection with another story; if there were such an article, I'd say redirect to it. Carlossuarez46 01:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Searching on the web turned up no sources so article is definitely not notable. Xtreme racer 20:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

  Although I agree it should be deleted (after all, I nominated it), I feel constrained to point out that just because something is not on the net, doesn't mean it isn't notable. There are millions of reliable sources that are not on the net (e.g., books, old newspapers, journals). Just something to bear in mind. Neil ╦ 22:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• note that I get about 900 results for "33 portland Place" on google. Martijn Hoekstra 08:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete this appears to be a spin off from the Lord Edward Davenport article, surely it can be discussed in that article since it appears to be only notable because of him Bleh999 09:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
• change my mind to Merge & redirect to Lord Edward DavenportMartijn Hoekstra 11:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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