Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1630 Revello Drive, Sunnydale
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 01:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1630 Revello Drive, Sunnydale
(Renamed by me from Buffy's residence). A fan essay about the lead character's house in Buffy the Vampire Slayer; unreferenced. WP:OR, WP:NOT probably apply. kingboyk (talk) 00:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - NN and CRUFT. If needed, merge any useful and sourcable information into an appropriate article and redirect. But I do like what she's done with the place though! Very nice painting scheme... ;) Spawn Man Review Me! 00:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, very tasteful :) Alas, merge and delete isn't allowable under the GFDL as far as I know. It'll have to be one or the other.--kingboyk (talk) 00:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? I wasn't aware of anything like that? You can always merge sourced information into a present article can't you? (Could anyone provide some policy links for me?) Well, if not redirect then to Buffy Summers. Spawn Man Review Me! 00:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, here's what I meant. :) Spawn Man Review Me! 01:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Huh? I wasn't aware of anything like that? You can always merge sourced information into a present article can't you? (Could anyone provide some policy links for me?) Well, if not redirect then to Buffy Summers. Spawn Man Review Me! 00:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, very tasteful :) Alas, merge and delete isn't allowable under the GFDL as far as I know. It'll have to be one or the other.--kingboyk (talk) 00:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - In-universe info, I doubt this house is notable enough for it's own article. Any info we could find on filming locations/sets etc should just be mentioned on the TV show article. Paul 730 01:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as fan cruft, no out-of-universe notability. Make sure to delete the redirect too. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete lacks notability, and I cannot find a precedent for keeping. LonelyBeacon (talk) 03:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Certain useful and sourced details should be merged with the main Buffy the vampire slayer article. There is nothing notable about this house other than it was the Buffy's house. It certainly wasn't the first sitcom with families who lived in houses.Wgfcrafty (talk) 05:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- That's not a particularly strong argument. First off, BtVS was not a SITuationCOMedy. Second, what makes the home noteworthy is the fact that it is an actual home, and not a set on a back lot. Fans of the show (myself included) have visited the home. Third, Buffy wasn't the first show to feature a female lead or vampire characters either, but it doesn't follow that such aspects merit no discussion. Buffy lived in a house, and fans like to discuss this house. AMCsoldier (talk) 02:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete for cruftiness and lack of third-party notability. Biruitorul (talk) 18:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:N and as cruft. Doc Strange (talk) 20:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:N. jj137 ♠ Talk 04:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep As stated above, the "noteworthiness" of Buffy's home is the fact that it is an actual residence in Torrance, CA. This results in an interesting analysis and comparison of the actual home versus the home interior portrayed on the show. Additionally, fans may be unaware that the home actually exists, and would like to know that fact. AMCsoldier (talk) 02:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- To reply to AMCsoldier, Wikipedia is not a Buffy fan site, it doesn't matter if fans like discussing the fictional locations of the show. They can do that elsewhere, there's a whole wiki dedicated to Buffyverse topics. Being a real house doesn't make it notable at all... lots of houses in film and TV are real, I can think of the Myers house from Halloween and the Thompson house from Nightmare on Elm Street off the top of my head. Just because a topic is interesting to fans does not make it notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. As I said above, sets and locations can be mentioned on the BtVS article, or even the Sunnydale article - if that article were rewritten from an out-of-universe perspective, it might pass policies. Paul 730 23:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'd be very interested in a page discussing the real-life Halloween & Nightmare on Elm Street as sub-pages of the main movie pages. If significant fan interest in a topic isn't enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, then I'd be very interested to hear your expert ruling on just what is important enough to merit a prestigious Wikipedia article. In your User page, you refer to Wikipedia as an "encyclopedia" - that is, a " work that contains information on all branches of knowledge or treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge" (m-w.com). So, wouldn't the incongruities between the Torrance home and the fictitious Sunnydale home merit some distinction as part of a comprehensive Buffy entry? And furthermore, wouldn't a fan searching for info on the Buffy home (perhaps to make a pilgrimage to it) seek such information on an encyclopedic site such as Wikipedia? But hey, what the heck do I know? I'm just a regular Wikipedia user; I'm not a self-appointed Wikipedia "guardian" or "authority" or whatever. AMCsoldier (talk) 23:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- At no point in this discussion have I claimed to be an "expert", "guardian", or "authority" of Wikipedia. Quite the contrary, I regularly refer to other editors for help and advice. You want to know how a topic merits a "prestigious Wikipedia article" (loving that sarcasm by the way), well, the answer is notability. Basically, a topic which "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" deserve individual articles. You're right, an article about the Summers house would probably be very interesting to fans of the show, but I doubt the house has recieved much coverage in mainstream media. If there is any relevant information regarding this house and the filming locations, it should be covered on Wikipedia as part of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series) article, since the house is only notable for being part of the show. Only if the house is individually notable does it really deserve an individual article. Otherwise we would (and do) have fans creating articles for everything they can think of vaguely related to the series, just because they find it interesting. Wikipedia may be an encyclopedia, but it is also not an indiscriminate collection of information. If you can find enough third-party sources discussing the house, then it might deserve an article, but it's hard enough establishing notability for the individual characters, I doubt the house they lived in is particularly notable. Paul 730 04:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- Good answer (and no sarcasm here). I understand now why this article is up for deletion. I do still think the fact that the house actually exists in Torrance, CA is noteworthy enough to merit a mention somewhere in the larger Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series) article, but I see now why it shouldn't have its own, separate page. AMCsoldier (talk) 01:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.9.51 (talk)
- At no point in this discussion have I claimed to be an "expert", "guardian", or "authority" of Wikipedia. Quite the contrary, I regularly refer to other editors for help and advice. You want to know how a topic merits a "prestigious Wikipedia article" (loving that sarcasm by the way), well, the answer is notability. Basically, a topic which "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" deserve individual articles. You're right, an article about the Summers house would probably be very interesting to fans of the show, but I doubt the house has recieved much coverage in mainstream media. If there is any relevant information regarding this house and the filming locations, it should be covered on Wikipedia as part of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series) article, since the house is only notable for being part of the show. Only if the house is individually notable does it really deserve an individual article. Otherwise we would (and do) have fans creating articles for everything they can think of vaguely related to the series, just because they find it interesting. Wikipedia may be an encyclopedia, but it is also not an indiscriminate collection of information. If you can find enough third-party sources discussing the house, then it might deserve an article, but it's hard enough establishing notability for the individual characters, I doubt the house they lived in is particularly notable. Paul 730 04:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'd be very interested in a page discussing the real-life Halloween & Nightmare on Elm Street as sub-pages of the main movie pages. If significant fan interest in a topic isn't enough to warrant a Wikipedia article, then I'd be very interested to hear your expert ruling on just what is important enough to merit a prestigious Wikipedia article. In your User page, you refer to Wikipedia as an "encyclopedia" - that is, a " work that contains information on all branches of knowledge or treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge" (m-w.com). So, wouldn't the incongruities between the Torrance home and the fictitious Sunnydale home merit some distinction as part of a comprehensive Buffy entry? And furthermore, wouldn't a fan searching for info on the Buffy home (perhaps to make a pilgrimage to it) seek such information on an encyclopedic site such as Wikipedia? But hey, what the heck do I know? I'm just a regular Wikipedia user; I'm not a self-appointed Wikipedia "guardian" or "authority" or whatever. AMCsoldier (talk) 23:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- To reply to AMCsoldier, Wikipedia is not a Buffy fan site, it doesn't matter if fans like discussing the fictional locations of the show. They can do that elsewhere, there's a whole wiki dedicated to Buffyverse topics. Being a real house doesn't make it notable at all... lots of houses in film and TV are real, I can think of the Myers house from Halloween and the Thompson house from Nightmare on Elm Street off the top of my head. Just because a topic is interesting to fans does not make it notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. As I said above, sets and locations can be mentioned on the BtVS article, or even the Sunnydale article - if that article were rewritten from an out-of-universe perspective, it might pass policies. Paul 730 23:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
