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[edit] European examples of art deco

They are lacking in the article. kabbelen 00:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commerical links

In general, Wikipedia doesn't support commercial links. An anon has just added

Is this sufficiently informative, that we are willing to overlook the commercial connection? -- Solipsist 20:29, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The site is good for images, that's something to be said for it... but then again one could always google for images of art deco jewellery. --Urbane legend

I thought the actual term "art deco" was coined by Bevis Hillier in The World of Art Deco (1971). Not true? --Michael K. Smith 20:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

It was being used in the trade in NY in the 60s, with the understanding that it came from the 1925 Paris exhibitio's name.--Wetman 05:07, 4 August 2005 (UTC)


Ok... What is Art Deco? How do I know if something is Art Deco or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.250.227.222 (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] change page title?

"Art Deco did not originate with the Exposition; it was a major style in Europe from the early 1920s, though it did not catch on in the U.S. until about 1928," should be than "Art Deco in US" a more correct title for this page?

No it should not. There needs to be a page about Art Deco as a whole. Write Art Deco in the United States if you would like an article specific to the US, or include more information about the European origns on this page. Cacophony 00:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not informative / Americacentric?

Hi all...just wanted to say that I'm still none the wiser for how to recognise art deco after reading this page, so if anyone ever wanted to make it better, consider people who don't already know what it is :) The example photos aren't that helpful. Stevage 23:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the comment on the pictures... They are almost all of buildings. That's great to include them, but more posters, ads, and other art forms would be greatly helpful. Russia Moore 21:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
The problem is simply of copyright. We need to take these photos ourselves. --Wetman 20:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

"This is still the image of Art Deco held in the minds of most Americans." Is this true? Is this relevant? Jimiq 00:36, 27 April 2006 (BST)

gone. Cacophony 01:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Italian Fascist Art deco in Kos and Leros Greece must be mentioned

I understand that Art Deco in Europe is somewhat remote for people in the US but there are some extraordinary examples to be mentioned, specially the Italian fascists restyling of the Greek islands of Kos and Leros in the Dodecanese (lower east corner near Turkey. There the governor (I have no name and it is not mentioned in Wikipedia so I can't get into details but is definitely worth checking out) let bulldoze the entire city centres and put up a new art deco town centre. It is a fantastic feeling though both especially Kos town is centre of chart tourism especially for teens boozing their heads off. It is definitely a place to visit for an Art deco fan. And Greece is lovely for holidays April to October. I know of the picture problem and I was there last time the year before my first digital camera and chemical cameras were in those days somewhat boring to me. I have no good pictures but there certainly are. But watch pictures like http://www.kosinfo.gr/photos/orpheus.jpg and a Byzantine / art Deco mix in http://www.kosinfo.gr/photos/church.jpg and the city museum http://www.kosinfo.gr/photos/museum.jpg certainly in a fascist styled Art deco expression but heavy duty Art deco in anyway. Ordinary buildings even more art deco than monumental, but not available in tourist web pages. But there are huge numbers of hits on "kos greece art deco" at google.

There are Art deco architecture in most European cities even tough not in any case like in Kos and Leros in Greece. It is also very hard to tell where one style takes over from another.

But a global article of Art deco must have Kos and Leros and the fascists 1923 project mentioned I think. All language Art deco pages are pretty poor on this theme.

Jan Bergström jan.bergstrom@telia.com Stockholm Sweden.

[edit] Reversions

There has been a tendency to slowly revert back to old versions of this page. We need to move forward and spend our energy improving the article by adding new information and media, not trying to keep looking the way it is. The article is far from perfect right now. Cacophony 07:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

i still dont understand what art deco is after reading all of this, it hasnt been of any help!

[edit] Complete Overhaul

This page is scrambled, misleading and confusing.

I think all the architecture photos confuse Art Deco as a general design era and most likely violate copyrights. Any commercial hyperlinks must go. The lengthly lists are obnoxious and difficult to digest.

The initial paragraph is great though. All the hyperlinks in the first paragraph need subsections reitterated within the article, such as industrial design. Lucky 23 00:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC) I am dedicated to modifying and building this page, and I can take critism Lucky 23 02:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Many new updates. Need user feedback to influence my direction, especially comments on images.Lucky 23 02:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo Discussion

How many photographs of buildings are nessisary to demonstrate Art Deco in architecture?Lucky 23 04:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

One earliest example, one most famous example, one best example, one most characteristic example. The rest is self-indulgence. --Wetman 05:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Can't say I mind self indulgence when it comes to illustrating an article, however, I've noticed people tend to add pictures of buildings in their favourite town/country regardless of the actual scope of the article, and this one is about Art Deco, not Art Deco in architecture, so I suggest keeping the number in check. Equendil Talk 09:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

We need to either keep the two top photos to the left and right or remove one of the examples. The large gap in the sources and attributes margin looks unfinished, like bad formatting. Lucky 23 13:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


The photo of pottery badly represents scupture of that era. Maybe a picture of something by Paul Manship or Maurice Ascalon?Lucky 23 13:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


I removed the Buhl Building, because it is Romanesque + Gothic Revival (not Art Deco), and have removed the Wrigley Building, which is definitely not Art Deco. I also removed the Penobscot Building and David Stott Building, because other buildings in the gallery are sufficient for those types. I also corrected the Penobscot Building's date, which is 1929, not 1935. Jasoncw (talk) 01:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Any that look extra valuable to anyone? - brenneman {L} 06:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Aaron Brenneman, you are invited to judge for yourself whether...
...deserves to be added to the External Links. Paul Niquette 16:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I say "No". That link opens with

"How suddenly Deco appeared! The time was 1925; the place was Paris."

Well,(opinion) Deco didn't appear all that suddenly, rather had been brewing for years.

Then about Carl Paul Jennewein the link adds,

"He returned to Europe and received the Prix de Rome in 1916."

Actually, CPJ returned to Europe BECAUSE he received the prize. This is not (yet another opinion) a link that adds much, if anything. Carptrash 20:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinions.
[a] Your observation about "suddenness" can surely be generalized, inasmuch as any event signalling public awareness necessitates a prior interval of coordinated development.
[b] My source for the Jennewein caption did not apply a 'because' clause, which I can easily bring into compliance with your opinion in an edit over the weekend.
The same thing more or less happens with Manship. The article states: and the American Academy in Rome, there winning the Pix de Rome in 1909. In fact (which always means "in my opinion) he did not win it there, it was winning the Prize in the USA that got him to Rome. Carptrash 00:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Did you have any opinions about the extent to which the selected illustrations might contribute to the Art Deco entry? Paul Niquette 19:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, given that WP:EL indicates early on that "Links should be kept to a minimum", I would say that your site does not rise to the level called for. I don't think we would have a lot of trouble coming up with another illustrative image.
You might want to read through WP:EL#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest. -- Mwanner | Talk 20:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture misplaced

The image "Art Deco designs by Maurice Ascalon" in my browser is on the right nottom and drops too far down. --ArmadilloFromHell 02:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I just changed

(or, actually, am about to change) the kick off date for Art Deco, moving it back a decade from 1910 to 1920. Here is why. I have tried to use not just American sources, but ones that reflect deco as a world wide phenomena. Bevis Hillier, the art critic who it is generally agreed coined the term Art Deco defines the movement as "an assertively modern style developed in the 1920s" [1] Conde and Almada while duscussing deco in Brazil define it as being "from the 1920s, onward", [2] , while Menten says of it, "the term is now generally applied to the typical artistic productions of the 1920's and 1930's" [3] while Bayer places it in the "inter war decades." [4]. Atkins gives it a slightly earlier starting date, "1919 " [5] Daele & Lumby consider 1926 - 1940 to be the deco period in Austrilain architecture ,[6], David Gebhard, the late and greatly missed architectural historian says, "1920s and 1930s" for a time period.[7] So . . ...... I am going to go with the date 1920 and would love to hear from you. Carptrash 19:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

  1. ^ Hiller, Bevis, Art Deco, Schocken Books, New York 1985
  2. ^ Conde, Luiz Paulo Fernandez and Mauro Almada, Guia da Arquiterura: Art Deco do Rio de Janeiro", Centro da Arquitetura e Urbanismo do Rio de Janeiro, Casa da Palavra, Rio de Janeiro, 2000
  3. ^ Menten, Theodore, The Art Deco Style: in Household Objects, Architecture, Sculpture, Graphics, Jewelry, Dover Publications, Inc., New York, 1972
  4. ^ Bayer, Patricia, Art Deco Architecture; Design, Decoration and Detail from the Twenties and Thirties, Thames & Hudson, NY 1992
  5. ^ Atkins, Robert, Art Spoke: A Guide to Modern Ideas, Movements and Buzzwords, 1848-1944, Abbeville Press, New York, 1993
  6. ^ Daele, Patrick Van, and Roy Lumby, A Spirit of Progress: Art Deco Architecture in Australia, Craftsman House/G+B Arts International, Sydney, 1997
  7. ^ Gebhard, David, The National Trust Guide to Art Deco in America, Preservation Press, New York, NY 1996

[edit] FYI: Chrystler Building Photo edited out

There's already another example of Art Deco architecture down there and it doesn't block up the page. Feel free to put it back in with a smaller thumbnail. Kennard2 00:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the huge picture was too much. However, I put back the image showing just the spire since it is a very well-known Art Deco icon. The first three images are now lined up in a row, so that layout should look better on most computer monitors. CZmarlin 01:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I just moved this image

Cutaway tricone guitar, Art Deco guitar design
Cutaway tricone guitar, Art Deco guitar design

over here, because, do we really want a picture of a new "Deco-styled" guiter leading the page off? I say "no". Carptrash 13:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Supreme Court of Canada Building is not Art Deco!

For the love of God, take it down. Someone ought to find a picture of the old GE building in New York, or better yet, the Marine Building in Vancouver.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.216.66.31 (talk • contribs).
Your view contradicts the description of the style of this building in the Supreme Court of Canada article. Moreover, archiseek (online arcitecture resources) web page describes it as "...Considered one of the finest Art Deco buildings in Canada... "[1]. Perhaps you can find a source that claims the building is not Art Deco? For example, "The Supreme Court of Canada building in Ottawa illustrates the Château style toned down for use on a government building. This, and similar local buildings, were the result of a search for an architecture that expressed a national identity."[2] Nevertheless, the building is consireded to have Art Deco details to set it away from the traditional Chateau designs. CZmarlin 02:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
There are several reliable sources, such as The City of Ottowa, that identify it as Art Deco, therefore it meets the criteria set forth in Wikipedia:Verifiability. I would agree that it isn't the best example to illustrate what Art Deco is and probably shouldn't be shown on this page, but the building IS Art Deco. Cacophony 04:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Decline Section

This section does not go into details of what Art Deco eventually turned into (Modernism). Can someone who knows this subject please add a little bit more info? Thanks.


[edit] Decopunk

I'd like to see some discussion regarding the influence of Art Deco on film and Gaming. There seems to be quite a few of what I term "Decopunk" media products these days. A few years ago, there was "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" that used the Art Deco influence as a design asthetic for modern devices that couldn't have existed at the time. The same with the game BioShock. The term Steampunk has been applied to a Victorian aesthetic applied in the same manner.

I'm not that skilled a writer, so I think it might be left to others, but I think Art Deco has approached the same level of recognizability as Steampunk or Cyberpunk in the American culture and warrants some discussion as a modern outgrowth of the Art deco aesthetic.Thresher 19:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Romain de Tirtoff

Can someone who knows a bit more about Art Deco add a link to this guy: Romain de Tirtoff (Erté) dave 04:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bibliography HELP

I added a Bibliography section. I put in a lot of literature. However, it needs more important books, particularly representing Art Deco around the world. Can some of you Art Deco mavens and Architecture buffs please HELP

7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Stan 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC) Stan

[edit] Bio Shock

I would like to see some mention of the computer game bio shock as it is full off late eara art deco and i feel would contribute to the modern place of art deco. James

[edit] Art Deco main colours!!!!!! can't find them anywhere!!!!!

i'm doing a project school and one of the questions is 'What colours are often used in creating the Art Deco style?' and i have now idea plz help because it is not on this page!!!!!!

thankyou if u help me out wit this problem :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.7.108 (talk) 05:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at this About.com website which refers to the dominant color/colour schemes used in Art Deco: [3]. Dieter Simon (talk) 00:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)