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[edit] Doc #58

I removed the info about the document, because it was being mispresented. The deportations didn't stop at February 9 1916, and the number of deportees are for Constantinople to Damascus and then Dier-el-Zor. The eastern (predominantly Armenian) part of the empire is not mentioned.

USA channeled relief efforts under ACRNE, which produced reports to coordinate its efforts. Report published after the "abolishment of the law," locates the refugee number in 486,0000 which was higher than Ottoman records that claim 438,758
USA channeled relief efforts under ACRNE, which produced reports to coordinate its efforts. Report published after the "abolishment of the law," locates the refugee number in 486,0000 which was higher than Ottoman records that claim 438,758
The USA government source puts the number of deported people 486,000, and it also includes the resource size requested to coordinate the American Committee for Relief in the Near East efforts[1]

Here is my proposal

A document sent by Henry Morgenthau, the US ambassador to Turkey, on February 8, 1916 put the number of deported people from Constantinople to Damascus and further down the Euprator river to Dier-el-Zor at 486,000.

We can also incorporate the text about the American Committee for Relief in the Near East VartanM 04:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The user VartanM has to read the document carefully. It is a document requested by Henry Morgenthau, who was asking information for the American Committee for Relief in the Near East. It is better if VartanM leaves the document in the page, as the readers who have better English skills can understand the document. People do not in need to translation of a third party, especially if the translation of an English document is in consideration. Thanks. --OttomanReference 22:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The misinformation regarding Constantinople

The user VartanM claims that there are deportees for Constantinople. This statement is misinformation. According to Armenian sources (Arnold Toynbee) there were two important Armenian communities living in two regions of the Ottoman Empire that were not deported; first one was province of Izmir (which was part of administrative unit Aydin with armenian population of more than 21,145) or with its old name of "Smyrna" and second one was province of Istanbul or with its old name "Constantinople" (population of more than 150,000 (ottoman sources claim 163,670))

However, it has to be mentioned that there was a specific order on "April 24" which was not related to the deportation of ""whole scale Armenian people"" or as the article names it as the legislation. This group consisted of Arrest of "so called" Armenian resistance force (such as Armenian Revolutionary Federation members and others) of the city Istanbul by Talat Pasha. These were included many high profile "national leaders" of Armenians (or as the article says "intelligensa"), which was explained in Armenian notables deported from the Ottoman capital in 1915. These notables are not the consideration of this article, as the deportation of whole scale Armenian people began with the Tehcir Law. Thnks --OttomanReference 23:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The difference between deportation process and deportees

"End of deportation process" means that there will not be Armenian citizens of Ottoman Empire rounded up and moved to target areas. That is the reason American Committee for Relief in the Near East specifically asked a report to define the size of the relief efforts (including the amount of expenses) at 1916 of February. It is hardly by chance that the council generated this report to submited to ""Henry Morgenthau"" on February, 1916.

The temporary law in question, the Tehcir Law, was expired on "February 8, 1916", which the ottoman parliament officially abolished the whole law on February 21, 1916. The statement "deportations didn't stop at February 9 1916." is not correct representation of the history. One correct point would be "there were Armenians that were deported before that day and who were continued to be displaced". The Ottoman sources claim that there were "cases" such as the detainees of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation continued to be displaced to Der Zor province. All the activities finalized on March 15, 1916.
It is a known fact that American Committee for Relief in the Near East continued to give support to these people between 1916-1917 and 20 more years after the war ended. Thanks OttomanReference 23:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)