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What else besides a fishing port is the town of Arkhangelsk? I am very suspicious, as there have been numerous neuclear sub collusions on and around that area, especially between US and Russian subs.

  • This is one of the ports where Allied forces deposited munitions during WWI which subsequently served as an excuse for Allied presence after the withdrawal of Russian forces from the conflict. This of course was seen during the Soviet years as having been an encroachment by the Allies, as evidenced in Kruschev’s lamenting at the U.N..

"Can anyone tell me about the lives of the people in the late 1800's? I heard that Archangelsk was a closed city in early 1900's".

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Can we get explanation why this city is also reffered to in historical text (16-17th century) as Dünamünde/Dunamunde and Ust-Dvinsk? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Referred to by whom? Probably because the city commands the mouth of the Dvina River, and there is a fortress (see the picture) defending its mouth. Duna is the German for Dvina, munde is the German for mouth. --Ghirlandajo 14:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree that Arkhangelsk is likely the most correct name and should be used throughout Wiki, however other names exist and should be acknowledged. Dünamünde [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&hl=en&q=D%C3%BCnam%C3%BCnde

824 google hits], Dunamunde 550 hits, Ust-Dvinsk 379 hits. Other possible German name: Erzengelstadt, but I have not seen this one in my research. For your info, those names came up when I was doing research about Polish-Swedish War, and it took me some time to conclude that they probably refer to Arkhangelsk. It would be much easier if they and their redirects were known to Wiki (and FYI, this is the main reason I support inclusion of other than main names in various articles). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:00, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I had to double check it. Dunamunde (Russian: Ust-Dvinsk) is a fortress in Latvia, 13 miles from Riga, commanding the mouth of the Daugava. The first monastery on the spot was founded by Teutonic Knights in 1201. [1]. --Ghirlandajo 15:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Tnx. So if I understand it correctly, those names (Dunamunde/Dünamünde) do not refer to the town of Arkhangelsk, but only to a castle (fortress) somewhere else? I recall some sources speak of 'castle and town of Dunamunde'. But is Dunemunde is the same thing as Ust-Dvinsk? The article on Ivan VI of Russia has a redirect (from Ust-Dvinsk to Arkhangelsk, created by you), which is the source of my confusion. How close is that fortress to the modern Arkhangelsk? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
One more name of the place: Daugavgriva. Could you create a stub based on your post above and fix the redircets? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I will start the article today. --Ghirlandajo 08:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Nice job - tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Daugravgriva (German Dünamünde) is a fortress currently within the borders of the city of Riga. It seems like it was founded as a cloister and then fortified by the Livonian Order and Bishops of Riga. Count Bernhard II of Lippe became the abbot of it in the early 13th century. These links all mention it a little: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Olessi 08:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Ust-Dvinsk is the Russian name for Daugavgriva, not an alternate name for Arkhangelsk (see EB 1911). Erzengelstadt is the direct translation of Arkhangelsk into German, but that name is not used to refer to the city as far as I can tell. Olessi 08:46, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map

I'm not sure which map was requested, but I added the map showing where Arkhangelsk is located in Russia. Conscious 11:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

A closer map showing it's relation to the British Isles might be nice to give context to the WWII convoys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.86.153 (talk) 11:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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this page does not give u the information u need to do a school project on —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.69.26.209 (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

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Pure nonsence in the early dates of history, drawn in Russian point of viewed by Stalin and his fellowers in Russian history. They cannot even separate Vienajoki and Väinäjoki from each others. A typical missunderstunding of younger Russian researches trying to re-write the history again under the Soviet history writing as ordered by Stalin (Steelman). A great thanks to this young woman in Jaroslavl to create Russian history in these pages, but have you ever thought to go through real history, not only that which the Russian sources (modified by Stalin after his daughter Sveltana´s schooldays) as you were teached in your school days. ( See Arvo Tuominen: Kremlin Kellot). Arvo Tuominen gives an eyewitnesser report what happened there in Kremlin when Stalin ordered to re-write the Russian history teached in schools in Soviet Union. Never heard of these? The real history is told in: Kremlin Kellot (The Clocks of Kremlin) in a book , regarding this, written by by Arvo (Poika) Tuovinen who was in presence of Stalin when he give this oder to a "Minister of Eduacation". Thus please, do not write articles as they should be, without Russian "new order" influence. Sorry to say this but you are a victim of this.

All history written by this young woman is questionable in standard historical forms regarding the material of Russo - Finnish history and history of north western Russia. Too many errors. English pages in Wikipedia are not idented to be a portrage of Russian false propaganda.

JN

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