Talk:Arisaka

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Some of this armchair armorer stuff has got to go.

"It lacked the raw force of the American rifles" -- The M1 .30-'06 load sent a 172 gr. FMJ down range at 2640 fps. The WWII 7.7 Jap load sent a 175 gr. FMJ down range at 2400 fps. I think we may be over-emphasizing things, and doing so pretty goofily ("raw force" ???).

"it was a truly devastating weapon if handled by an adept sharpshooter utilizing a scope." -- this can be said of any WWII-era rifle. Also the 7.7 Jap was slightly less powerful than the .303 British, the .30-'06, the 7.62x54R, the 8mm Mauser, and pretty much every other primary rifle cartridge of WWII -- so just what makes it "truly devastating?"

"However, the bayonets made the Arisaka rifle very inaccurate" -- this definitely needs some elaboration. Just how does the bayonet make the rifle inaccurate? My Type 99 shoots the same with and without bayonet (imagine that!).

"Japanese soldiers regarding their rifles as spears rather than firearms." -- now that's ridiculous. The Japanese did place particular emphasis on hand to hand combat, but that doesn't mean they weren't marksmen.

So I'll correct these things shortly if no one has any other reactions.

The article appears to be in order now, but I'm going to try and reply to some of the issues here. (I am a newb, so I have no idea how to properly list sources. Sorry.)

1: I think when the "raw force" part was written, the writer was thinking of the length of the cartridges.

7.7 x 58mm versus .30-06 (7.62 x 63mm)

The '06 has a longer case, which usually equals a larger powder charge, but your listed velocities say otherwise. (Case length info can be found at .30-06)

2: The "bayonet" part. This writer may have been thinking of the Mosin-Nagant series of rifles. All Mosin-Nagants (except the M38 Carbine) were sighted in with the bayonet in the battle-ready position, and if it was removed from the barrel, it changed the point of impact, and thus needed re-sighting. I don't know if this phenomenon occured in other WW2 service rifles, but my M44 Carbine can testify to it happening in the Russian rifles. ([1] fifth paragraph down)

Finally, 7.7 JAP ammunition can be bought for cheap from many manufacturers, so is the last paragraph of the article even necessary? It's dangerous to alter cartridges like that and then try to fire them. (info from a Cabela's sporting goods catalog) --MercenaryKris23 06:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I do apologize that I'm not providing too many specific examples, what exactly needs to be changed, and how to change it. But this article is very unprofessional and causal overall in its tone and writing style. Please work on avoiding broad generalizations, or rephrasing them in a more scholarly manner. Get rid of the "In fact"; and change "places such as China..." to "China, Thailand, and other locations occupied by the Japanese" or something similar. It's just a lot of very small changes. Also, just to be clear, is the reference to a "mum" a shortening of "chrysanthemum", i.e. an English word, or is it meant to be a Japanese term? I am fairly certain there's no Japanese word similar in sound to mum which would fit in that context. Thanks for a nice start. (Oh, and as soon as you make your stylistic changes, get rid of that foolish peacock template. it makes the whole article look worse.) LordAmeth 22:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sourcing Issue

This article is generally unsourced, which is a problem in itself, but I wonder whether in particular it's wise to include totally unsourced suggestions about how to retool ammunition not designed for these rifles? Seems to me that such advice is just begging for trouble unless it's carefully documented. In other words, taking responsibility for an inaccurate manufacturing date cited in a high school book report is an entirely different matter from taking responsibility for somebody's blowing himself up by trying to load a Japanese military rifle with inappropriately modified ammunition. Drhoehl (talk) 00:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I have a picture of an unobliterated chrysanthemum on an arisaka. How do I contribute that? Bbcrane54 (talk) 20:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Read WP:Uploading images#How to upload, it has all the instructions you need.--LWF (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)