Talk:Ari Shaffir

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[edit] Deletion Debate

can we list the reasons why ari shaffir is being deleted? The previous amazing racist article was being deleted for insignificance, but as another wikipedian mentioned, ari did make the National Lampoon.

Is there also evidence that the "actors" he victimized were in fact paid? can we cite sources for that?

There is evidence (I added it to the main page) that they signed waivers, I don't know who was payed. --TrollHistorian 14:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

There is no evidence that the victims are "paid actors." The cited article states that they "signed waivers." This means that they signed waivers after the fact, which gives Shaffir the legal right to exhibit the work.

If the case is that those actors aren't paid, and the guy is just being a dick, under no circumstances delete the page. If people want to deny the existence of racism, I can always point folks to this page.

This really should not be deleted. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an opinion column. If you are offended by Ari Shaffir's comedy, fine, don't view his works, don't visit his Wikipedia article, don't visit his site. People are still pissed off at Nazis, and yet they retain articles in everything from history books, to encyclopedias. Ari Shaffir should be no exception.

There is evidence in his videos that the incidents are all staged. Notably, that nobody ever seems to eject the cameraman. They'll attack Ari and throw him out of a mosque, but the always leave the cameraman alone. And another thing, when petitioning for an articles removal or non-removal, it's usually good to avoid succumming to Godwins Law.Qabala 02:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

"This really should not be deleted. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an opinion column. If you are offended by Ari Shaffir's comedy, fine, don't view his works, don't visit his Wikipedia article, don't visit his site. People are still pissed off at Nazis, and yet they retain articles in everything from history books, to encyclopedias. Ari Shaffir should be no exception."

^^ Very, very, well put. I noticed also that in the amazing racist section it called it "offensive". That is not proper for wikipedia. The facts shouldn't be laced with opinion. It just brainwashes people when facts are constantly matched with opinion. I am not to stupid to make my own descision on wether or not something is good or bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.169.218 (talk) 15:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need Citations

We need to know if anyone was actually paid. I removed some lines saying his comedy was misunderstood as racist, until you can link to external work which suggests otherwise it doesn't really have a place on wikipedia, in fact in the one interview I read he accused other racist comedians of being racist. So I removed those claims, if there are citations for it, put it back. --TrollHistorian 14:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

According to Ari Shaffir in a conversation I had with him on Myspace, et al. The people were given $50 each, which helped convince the more reluctant people to sign waivers.

-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 03:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Death threats: We need evidence he has had death threats or even any sort of harassment so need citations there. --TrollHistorian 14:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

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I deleted a link to some (alleged) videos of this guy. The reason is all of the videos on www.theamazingracist.net are infected with spyware.

[edit] Victims are paid actors?

I doubt the victims are paid actors since in an interview with Ari Shaffir (see the article) he says he is surprised how many willing signed release forms. This implies they did not know they were involved in it. I don't know where people get evidence that suggests that all the actors are actually paid. I don't think we can assume they are paid actors simply because there is evidence to contrary (his interview). --TrollHistorian 19:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, if you look at the camera angles in each of the videos and the style of filming, it leads to more evidence that these are at least partially staged events. It is shot from a multiple camera style, although that would be difficult to pull off in a live format that purports to capture "reality." If it were shot from a single camera, then multiple takes would have been necessary to capture different angles. Also, when the woman in the mosque pushes him out the door, she slams the door behind him. It does not make sense that she would have slammed the door without kicking out the cameraperson either. There are several other scenes where the victims do not react normally to a camera setup, which cannot be easily masked in editing. We should do more research before concluding that this is a reality-based event. 205.212.74.159 06:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


Yah i notice that too. IT is kind of obvious (excuse my spelling)--SoldierOfColbert 02:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It's totally obvious, but I don't think they are necessarily "actors" not all of them. Just people who were paid to participate in the skits.

All the mexicans scatter. Unless it was staged, there is no way they would find all those guys to ask them to sign a waiver. And I believe when you film someone like that you cannot offer them the waiver before they are filmed that's like saying "here sign this and I'll do anything I want with you" You have to offer them the waiver afterwards so it's like "Do you agree to be shown on camera in the footage we just shot?" That's how a waiver works ....... I think.

If I may interject,I actually talked to him on his Myspace page and learned the main history behind the videos. The Amazing Racist concept was initially National Lampoon's but he acted independently of them, though it ended up on the DVD. As far as cameras go, he used Diamondcams and at times had someone go in ahead of him with a camera. As to whether or not the victims were paid or signed waivers, I'll verify that directly from him and let you know. The Waiver bit would make sense since they are appearing on camera and subsequently DVD.

-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 14:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

And here is your answer, from the man himself:

From: Ari Shaffir Date: May 7, 2008 4:10 PM

They signed waivers afterwards, otherwise we couldn't use the footage. But they weren't in on it until we were done.


This settle it? -Alan 22:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blogger Controversy

I think it is legitimate to link to the blog controversy because it go onto various sites like boingboing.net while making IBM look bad. It probably made Ari more noticed than his comedy. Regardless it is related to Mr. Shaffir. --TrollHistorian 02:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The link/source was recently removed by someone else so I added a second party link. It is still a blog link. I swear I saw it on boingboing. --Quirex 03:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry I fucked up

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I fucked up the links to the vids. I'm gonna try to repair them. Sorry.

[edit] External Links

Ari & I have a mutual good friend in common who works at the Comedy Store with him. My friend proxied a question to Ari and asked if the Myspace link was really his or not. It is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yonderway (talk • contribs) 15:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Misc

I think it should be more accented that this is Ari's statement. The way it stands now it seems like the victims approve his jokes.

"is amazed how many victims of his racial slurs willingly signed though he is wildly popular"

I also think that it should be pointed out that this man makes fun of everyone else besides jews which he is himself. This is a fact and I think it is imported because it has something to to with the context.

I also think that the article and the sentence below emphases to much on that he plays a character. I think the entire sentence should be striked since his is not an actor in a traditional sence and his not playing a racist character like you would see in a movie. His character does not interact with other character that shows that it is a character and gives a balance. In his "films" its just this guy offending people.

"Shaffir plays the eponymous title character in the series."

The point of a 'character' is that the viewer should be unaware of the fact that they are watching a work of fiction. This is the reason why Peter Cushing is an excellent actor, and Nicholas Cage is utterly without merit. One of these is an actor, able to portray a fictional scenario with such skill as to leave the viewer momentarily bereft of their senses, and the other is, at best,on a par with a block of wood.
This is akin to saying that you shouldn't focus on Darth Vadar as a character, but as a real person, utter lunacy. JohnPaulOMurphy (talk) 17:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
He hasn't targeted Jews yet, but from what he told me in my informal Myspace Q & A, they'd be next, along with "Indians. That's both kinds of racism rolled into one. Then Italians and Persians. They're probably the only two that I really hate."

-Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 11:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Jew" Jitsu

It looks as if the whole martial arts sentence was added as a joke (with the original "Jew Jitsu" phrase) in revision 135924259 [[1]]. I've removed it.Tlesher 19:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

If it's a joke than a) why don't we remove it or b) change it to jiu jitsu? absolutpiracy

[edit] this article is terribly written

"Shaffir has repeatedly admitted that some encounters with others signed to appear." is not English —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.58.156 (talk) 21:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning on external Video links

The warning added to the video links reads:

CAUTION: THESE VIDEOS BELOW CONTAIN STRONG RACIAL HUMOR THAT MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO THOSE WHO DON'T GET IT

What is obviously debated here is whether or not there is something 'TO GET' about Shaffir's pranks. The warning should be cleaned up so as to have its perceived bias removed.

I propose either editing this section or deleting the links altogether. It is safe to assume anyone reading this article has seen more of this than they deserve to be subjected to. Furthermore, the hosting site in question also has links to hardcore pornographic scenes, freely available alongside the Shaffir videos. Probably a little close in proximity to this site, linkwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardXXIII (talk • contribs) 03:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)