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The Argeads origin is Argos according to Herodotus. (and I'm not the anonymous editor). MATIA 11:45, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] αι ή οι?

αι Αργεαδαι ειναι ή οι Αργεαδαι? something about the native Greek terms. CuteHappyBrute (talk) 03:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Οι Αργεάδαι. - Sthenel (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


[edit] An Argead belif not from Greek historiography

I disagree with FuterPerfect’ addition.

“According to ancient Greek historiography they were a Greek noble family that traced its legendary origins to Argos in southern Greece”

The above is a mistake.
Argeads considered themselves to be Greek and the Greek historiography simply confirmed it!The most important fact to this is the archaeological discoveries.
I am adding as a reference a quote from Andronicus book which is quite clear of what the royal family belived.

Manolis Andronikos “Vergina, the royal Tombs” Ekdotiki Athinon. The palace of Agai page 38.Inscreption found in the Tholo of the palace . “ Η επιγραφή αυτή είναι : «ΗΡΑΚΛΗΙ ΠΑΤΡΩΙΩΙ», που σημαίνει στον «Πατρώο Ηρακλή», στον Ηρακλή δηλαδή που ήταν γενάρχης της βασιλικής οικογένειας των Μακεδόνων.” {“ the inscription is “ΗΡΑΚΛΗΙ ΠΑΤΡΩΙΩΙ” which means “ father (more properly ancestor) Hercules” dedicated to Hercules who was the ancestor of the Royal family of the Macedonians”}.

The above inscription is more than enough to confirm that the Argeads had as a strong belief that they were Greeks from Argos offspring of Hercules.
I can’t recall any historian who has actually doubt the Greek origin of the Argead Dynasty.
(It is of course a legendary descent. But that was common in every Greek noble family. Almost all of them had some short of legendary descent.)
Seleukosa (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

If someone disagrees it is better to contribute here in the talk page. Removing cited material without discussing it in the talk page (and sarcastic and ironic comments) is unacceptable. Seleukosa (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

No one disagrees, hence why NOTHING (well, one source is enough) was removed. Did you see the summary about "first things first", though? What unbelievable pigheadedness. 3rdAlcove (talk) 16:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Your reverts had as a result the disappearing of 3 references and the completely alteration of the text. This is what you think is nothing??
Read also the above passage about the inscription in Agea and the Greek historiography which you failed to notice it (and you removed it also). My main point here is the obvious fact that the Argead were not claimed as Greeks by the Greek historiography BUT they themselves claimed so! Is this not obvious from the source from Adronicus excavations?
Your insulting remarks should be addressed by an administrator since you obviously violating wikipedia rules.
“Wikipedia has a code of conduct: Respect your fellow Wikipedians even when you may not agree with them. Be civil. Avoid conflicts of interest, personal attacks or sweeping generalizations.”

You should apologize immediately. Don’t think that I will reply back. And I thought that you were a civilized editor. Pity.

Seleukosa (talk) 17:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The User:3rdAlcove has a long history of such edits in all the articles related to theAncient Macedonians. The word "legendary" was put without any source, to dispute the Greek origin of the family and make it seem like a fairy tale. - Sthenel (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunetelly the worst is the insulting remarks. I am more than willing to discuss everything.

What also puzzles me is the choice to ignore the archaeological discoveries. The inscription alone (“ΗΡΑΚΛΗΙ ΠΑΤΡΩΙΩΙ”) is a strong prove that the descent from Argos was not supported (or ivented) by “Greek historiography” but it was a strong belief by the Argeads.

Seleukosa (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, speaking of "unbelievable pigheadedness" is not the best expression of politeness. Probably the opposite. And who says that we cannot have more than one citation in a row. Is this a new policy in Wikipedia?--Yannismarou (talk) 18:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

What this user did is totally POV. - Sthenel (talk) 18:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion: The Argeads were Greek. 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Has anyone question that? I dont think that anyone ever desputed the Greek origin of the Argeads. It is a general accepted fact. As the references sugest.
No doubt that origin from Hercules was a legend. But that was common in that time period.
(I would like to see an apology for the "unbelievable pigheadedness")
Seleukosa (talk) 19:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
(Good for you.) 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought that the insults was an unfortunate moment. As it seems it wasn’t. Pity.Seleukosa (talk) 20:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)