Talk:Archi language

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[edit] Phonology (consonants)

What are the kʟ̝̊ʼ (and similar phonemes with this ʟ̝̊ supposed to be? I know that several Dagestanian languages – to my knowledge also Archi – include a t͡ɬʼ (hence, derivatives of ɬ) phoneme, but ʟ̝̊ looks to me like a voiceless and raised velar lateral approximant, rather than a voiceless alveolar lateral fricative, as in languages like Tsez, Bezhta, Hinukh or Avar. I'm interested in the source of this... I'll put a {{Fact}} tag on it, but I'd like to discuss the matter here. — N-true 00:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

They're velar lateral affricates and fricatives — basically ɬ except velar POA. ʟ̝̊ is used because there's no convenient IPA symbol for them. Sounds of the World's Languages (ISBN 0-631-19815-6) transcribes them in IPA using ʟ̝̥ (with both diacritics on the bottom), and additionally describes them more accurately as pre-velar (so if you wanted to be really accurate you could add the + diacritic, ʟ̟̝̊ (ugh)). --Ptcamn 00:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Very interesting! Didn't know... I'll try to read more about that. — N-true 01:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)