Talk:Arab nationalism

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[edit] Comment by RK

Wait a tick...we already have an article on Pan-Arabism, which is on the same topic. Shouldn't we merge these articles into one, and turn the remaining one into a redirect? RK 00:25, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I agree, it seems to me like its just a different phrase for the same thing but I don't know enough about the subject to say for certain one way or the other. I've created a links from one article to the other. Maybe someone who knows more about it than me can merge the two. Saul Taylor 03:56, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Pan-Arabism and Arab nationalism are not the same thing. Pan Arabism calls for the creation of an Arab super STATE. Arab nationalism is declaring that the Arabs constitute a nation. It makes no call to unify them in any capacity outside of "feeling". Many Arab nationalists during the era of Pan Arabism advocated panArabism but many did not and are quite attached to their own Arab states. Algeria which was controlled by the Arab nationalist FLN was not Pan Arabist. It didnt want to unite with the other Arab countries but it did want to form alliance and have "solidarity". Pan Arabism is a specific form of Arab nationalism, similar to Ba'thism or Nasserism. There should be two separate articles on these topics because they are NOT one in the same. They are related but are at the same time very very different. It is like "ISlam", there are subforms of ISlam, Sunnah and Shiiah, still ISlamic, but they each have their own article because they are different forms. Arab nationalism would be "ISlam", PanARabism would be "Sunnah" or "Shiah" in this way. Keep them separate! They are not different names for the same thing, they are related ideologies. Like communism and socialism or Marxism. These are not the same things. -El Moro

How can anyone dispute the neutrality of this entry, its concise and to the point without any of the leanings for or against such an idea. -IbnRasheed

[edit] POV

If someone has a POV objection, they should state it here before adding the template. - Mustafaa 16:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It should be Islamic, not Islamist.

[edit] The colors of the Arab flags

It is mentioned that Sykes is the one that proposed the flag colours. However, up to my knowledge it is based on a verse of poetry by Safi al-din al-Hilli صفي الدين الحلي (forteenth century) which was quite nationalist. The verse is:

سُودٌ وقائِعُنا بيضٌ صنائِعُنا======خضرٌ مرابِعُنا حمرٌ مواضِينا

Which specifically mentions the four colours (black, white, green and red) in a verse describing Arabs. I don't have a reference, but I'm sure there is if someone is determined to find one. --Maha Odeh 05:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The citation for that, evidently, is Fromkin's Peace to end all Peace. Maybe someone needs to check it out. Slacker 08:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I read that Idea came from Safi al-din al-Hilli. Mussav (talk) 15:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)