Talk:Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In

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Contents 1 Correct B side? 2 Track listings on Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In (and also Hava Nagila) 3 Wikipedia:Third opinion 4 When is the Age of Aquarius

[edit] Correct B side?

Present article says it's "Stoned Soul Picnic" but the listing here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Dimension says it was "Don'tcha Hear Me Callin' to Ya?" and "Stoned Soul Picnic" was an earlier 1968 single with a B side of "The Sailboat Song" Some of the links to what appear to be singles there are actually to album articles. I have no idea which is correct.

Rrose Selavy (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Track listings on Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In (and also Hava Nagila)

MALAKAS..

No it isn't. It's about an INDIVIDUAL SONG. Back in the old days of actual Gramophone records (which you seem to be completely and utterly ignorant of), they put something on the backs of records, in order not to waste a vinyl surface -- but, about 99 times out of a hundred, only one side of a physical 7-inch single 45 RPM record charted, or was relevant to the commercial success of what was on the other side of a record. The "B"-sides of songs are sometimes discussed on the article pages devoted to top-charting songs, but the article pages are basically about the "A"-sides of these records -- and to prove otherwise, you would need to find separate articles about a song vs. about the single of which the song was an "A"-side. I bet you won't be able to find any significant numbers of articles split in this way (it certainly isn't standard Wikipedia practice). AnonMoos 14:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The single was released in 1996 and that single went to #1 for 6 weeks and that is what the article is about and also about any covers made from that album. There are plenty of pages about old singles like this especially if it is covered later as well. KittenKlub 14:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Notice that neither of the articles Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In and Hava Nagila bothers to mention the name of any songs on the B-sides of any of the actual single releases (as opposed to short albums/EPs)? That's because the articles are basically about the individual songs... AnonMoos 14:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

And it is prefered to have both the originals and the covers on the same page. And it is a very relevant part of the article. Read the Music guideline. Tracklists are a normal part of the page. So instead of destroying other people's work, how about find the original release, because that needs an infobox as well, however the producer, single chronology etc. are unknown. KittenKlub 13:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Dude, these articles are basically about the individual songs. It would be more or less reasonable trivia to mention the "B"-sides which appeared on the flip-side of charting singles (though neither of the articles saw fit to mention this before you came along), but to burden the articles by including a whole elaborate cumbersome track listing of an EP or short album (NOT a "single" as this was traditionally understood) is simply outright nonsense. If you want to establish one article, or a series of articles, about Departed Animals albums, then do so -- but please don't insert information about them where it doesn't belong. Thank you. AnonMoos 14:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It might help spelling the band correctly. It's Party Animals. I assume it is just an implied by continously misspelling them. Since it is a number one single it requires an article, however it is good practice to keep them together. There is plenty of discussion about that and unless it is a long article on its own right, it is prefered to keep it together with the original. And that also applies to "old" singles from 1969. KittenKlub 14:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I knew absolutely nothing about the Departing Animals good or bad, until you created antagonistic feelings by insisting on adding irrelevant material about them to individual song articles. AnonMoos 14:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Third opinion

Third party opinion requested, since this discussion is not heading in a fruitful direction. KittenKlub 14:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In response to the WP:3O request:
WP:SONGS is specific on this. If the song an article is about was also released as a single, Template:Infobox single (with a cover, if possible) and a track list are to be added as well. And while I do not know about the prefered handling for cover versions of songs, I am positive that a discussion about this should take place on a higher level, not on the talk page for an individual work. - Cyrus XIII 15:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. There are several discussions at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs about the merging or not, and even though merging is prefered there is no clear consensus. Somebody did ask for a guideline Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs#Guidelines for covers? however there has been no response to the question yet. KittenKlub 15:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When is the Age of Aquarius

Not relevant to this article. Comments about *when* it starts should be conducted on the Age of Aquarius page, not here.Wjhonson (talk) 06:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)