Talk:APS Underwater Assault Rifle

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1 Firing rate vs depth?
2 Alleged "original research"
3 Cartridge?
4 Cartridge type
5 AK-47 Based?

[edit] Firing rate vs depth?

Where did the idea that the firing rate changes with depth come from? I'd like to see a citation, because it sounds like BS to me. Steel and water are practically incompressable at these pressures, and there's no evidence of trapped air.

Of course, the firing rate may be different when wet than when dry, but that's a different issue.

[edit] Alleged "original research"

Night Gyr's last edit "23:10, 17 February 2006 Night Gyr (merged in fictional content and tagged original research, the statements about frogmen and such need citations)".

I cannot have done any original research on this subject, as I have never fired or handled an APS rifle anywhere and I have never fired any firearm underwater.

Is the query about this paragraph?:- "It has appeared in fiction, such as the role playing game Twilight 2000, which included an American made copy known as the Mk 37 Mod 0 Underwater Assault Rifle or Frogman Stinger. However, no American version of the weapon is known to exist in the real world."

Anthony Appleyard 22:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cartridge?

Does anyone have a picture of the cartridge and/or projectile? Such a unique device such as this might benefit from one.

a quick google search turned up these. I'm not sure what the deal is with the copyright stuff, so you guys can figure that out.

http://picdb.thaimisc.com/benjapol/5131-9.jpg

http://www.municion.org/5_66x39_5/apsG.jpg http://www.municion.org/5_66x39_5/5_66G.jpg

Here's the google translated copyright info from municion.org

INFORMATION ON COPYRIGHT:

All the images of this Web, except for which they indicate the opposite, are property of webmaster. One authorizes the copy and diffusion of the same ones without more limitation than the obligation to mention and to connect the source. The rest of images has been yielded by their authors, and must request authorization by email. A reduced number of images subsists whose titularidad I do not know. They are being replaced by own images. The limited drawings of cartridges are generated by several programs of software, and their creators authorization of or proprietor reproduce with. Basically they come from: Ecra Caliber Data Viewer, MSelect and Cartwin.

[edit] Cartridge type

the link on 5.66 x 39 mm MPS redirects back to the main article.

[edit] AK-47 Based?

The base cartridge would seem to be the 5.45x39mm best known for use in the AK-74 and its many derivatives (not the 7.62x39mm used in the AK-47). More importantly, the APS is known to have been designed by Simonov, not Kalashnikov. The unique problems associated with firing underwater and the creative solutions necessary to solve them would seem to point to this being a stand-alone design, not "derived" from any particular existing weapon and certainly not from a Kalashnikov design; that is at best an insult to V. Simonov. Thus, it seems quite obvious that the APS is wholly unique and not a "derivative of the AK47"; that statement is certainly misleading and, I believe, incorrect. Nwilde (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)