Talk:April 9 tragedy

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I don't know anything about this event, but the wording in the opening paragraph seems a bit strong, so I'm wondering whether there's a POV problem here. - dcljr (talk) 03:48, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] copy edit and pov

As mentioned above, this article needs a little tweaking POV wise, the over use of the term "massacare" and "THE killings" suggests a slightly anti-Soviet skew, plus there is no section on the Russia side of things. Also the sentence structure needs work, the english is not of any great quality in places and the sentences don't really flow in certain areas. SGGH 20:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The problem with terms like massacre is that, while you can come up with NPOV definitions, the term still sounds POV, and sometimes the exact situation is unsure.

A massacre is the mass murder of individuals with no means of defense, mass murder being the killing of at least four people at the same time. But how much defense do they need? And also, for an issue like this, which is still a major issue for many people, it's a good idea to stay away from terms like massacre, even when they would be applicable, because it is a "hot" word which gets people incited. Crispus 01:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly my point, one particular instance that seems iffy is the image caption that reads "....the massacare" and that sounds POV to me, and the heading: "THE Killings" also seems a tad POV, but if this article had a section on events from a Soviet point of view as well possibly these other POV issues would be less of a problem. It's just that with only the one side of the story being told, other POV are highlighted. SGGH 07:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the heading mentioned above, and tagged a couple of places that need citing. There is no Soviet perspective, for instance "soldiers began attacking the demonstrators"... what, just like that? Why and how? More information from the Russian side is needed to balance the article out. Also, of course, external links are not references, so some of those are needed also SGGH 07:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I am just reading about April 9 Tragedy in Rossens book and also compiled many sources. Please give me time to insert them. There are far more info about the topic. Euskera 20:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

"It was also reported that toxic gas was used against the demonstrators resulting in vomiting, respiratory problems and sudden paralyses of the nervous system were reported."

This is a fact, my wife was exposed to the nerve gas as a 9 year old child and spent several months in hospital, she is still officially registered disabled as a result of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.40.43.94 (talk) 14:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

The title "April 9 tragedy" is both vague and POV. Should the article be moved so that it has a more specific, and neutral, title? --Bowlhover (talk) 04:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It should; I usually remove "tragedy" and "tragic" on sight. As best I can tell, "Day of National Unity" is the only other usable term. Deltabeignet (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The Day of National Unity is teh day of remembrance. It is not a suitable title for the article about the historical event. The mainstream media and scholarly sources refer to it as "April tragedy", "Tbilisi killings", "Tbilisi massacre", etc. "April 9 tragedy" is NPOV, imo.--Kober^Talk 21:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)