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[edit] Hi Anthon

I'll see if I can get around to it. Margery, Home and Palladino are more interesting to me. It seems like too long ago I read an old book that gave a very detailed explanation of the Davenports' rope tie. They were really something in their time. Don't be in a hurry, and remember stories dealing with the unknown love to grow, and they do. User:Kazuba 1 Mar 2006

[edit] Hi Anthon- David Devant and Davenport brothers

Just fooling around found something that may interest you. Do a search for: my magic life david devant, that will take you to the book. In contents pick chapter 18, magic in the 19th century. Fascinating history User:Kazuba 1 Mar 2006

I'll take a look when I get time. I see that the German Wikipedia has an article on David Devant, but we lack one in the English. Why don't you write it? Or write one on My Magic Life. Anthon.Eff 19:59, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

No, no, no, no, no. No writing for now, and this is certainly beyond the secrets of the medium, my favorite stomping grounds. The rope tie used by the Davenport Brothers is fully explained in The Master Magicians by Walter Gibson, Doubleday & Company, Inc., New York 1966. If I have seen it used I certainly did not recognize it at the time. (Which is not surprising.)I am more familiar with some other ties, that some one else reading this doesn't need to know about. Even you. If you do magic you know exactly where I am coming from. I'm gone.User:Kazuba 1 Mar 2006

[edit] Maskelyne and the Davenport Bothers

Obtain a copy of Mediums and the Conjurors edited by James Webb, Ayer co Pub, 1976. It's all in there from the original prime materials. User:Kazuba 19 Mar 2006

[edit] My Introduction to Spiritism

Hi Anthon, Many years ago I was fortunate to get an introduction to Eric Dingwall from Milborne Christopher. Dingwall had lived through the grand period of spiritism and has contributed much to its history. To study the paranormal, he wrote me, it was imperative to have a knowledge of conjuring. This can take a life-time and still one is never totally prepared for something novel. Magic, or conjuring, at different levels is always in flux due to new observations, new talents, new methods, new twists. It evolves. The introduction to Mediums of the 19th Century, Vol 1, by Frank Podmore, University books, 1963, formerly Modern Spiitualism, 1902, is written by Ding. This introduction and Podmore's book will give you a small but incomplete contemporary explanation for the seduction of Doyle, Crookes and other men of science. You must try to put yourself in the place of these men in their TIME of the 19th century, who encountered the inexplicable. In many cases these individuals (Doyle) had lost a very close dear loved one (a son) and longed to again hear their reassuring voice from the otherside. I have witnessed this phenomena as it takes place in others myself. There is desperation and relief. Also see the infamous Project Alpha. Don't miss Boy's Life by Robert R. McCammon it is a real treat. You will love it. User:Kazuba 22 Mar 2006

[edit] Nice work!

...on Spiritualism. I'm glad that you agree that there is a need for a "Modern Spiritualism Movement" article that is distinct historical overview. The S. article is becoming too big and diverse to be useful for someone researching a movement and era rather than a philosophy or cosmology. It's all too much for me, 'tho -- I'll have to throw in the towel, there simply isn't enough time. -- user:Zosodada

[edit] Crookes' brother

Supposedly William Crookes' brother Philip died in 1867. That is probably the hook. User:Kazuba 31 Mar 2006

[edit] Eusapia Palladino

Take a look at The Career or Eusapia Palladino, Chapter 1 in Doyle's History of Spiritualism, Vol 2, Then read the entry for Eusapia Palladino in the Wikipedia. This is an extraordinary example of scientitists being absolutely hood-winked by an adept charlatan. Doyle ate it up.User:Kazuba 14 Apr2006

[edit] systematic vs specific name

For information only: "systematic name" is generally synonymous with "specific name", just a little more highbrow and less commonly used by other than taxonomists. I don't see any reason to change it back though. -- WormRunner 02:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Cultures in the standard cross cultural sample"

Hi,

What does "Cultures in the standard cross cultural sample" mean? What new value is added by the creation of this category? Thanks! --Ling.Nut 15:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

OK then, I'll try to turn my attention to the Atayal page. Meanwhile, I've added two Harvard refs and linked Harvcolnb citations to your page as an example. See the text; "... to contemporary industrial peoples (e.g., the Russians) (Silverman & Messinger 1997; Mace & Pagel 1994)." The last two authors are linked. If you don't like it, revert back to the most recent version. I can twiddle with the ref templates too, maybe, if I have time.--Ling.Nut 20:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Our conversation is too spread apart; let's keep it on your page.... or by email, if you prefer. Yeah, I'm an Applied Linguistics guy, which means Linguistics & TESOL. I'm thinking of jumping the fence and writing my dissertation about aboriginal education, though. I haven't had a chance to read the Bellwood book you mentioned, but it looks like one I could enjoy.. after my dissertation is done, about 2 years from now.
I'd be happy to fix those citations/references for you, little by little over the next few days or week or so. If you wanna do something in return, go to Taiwanese Aborigines, read it, and leave some comments on the talk page, or add some references to unreferenced passages (e.g. Headhunting)if yoou really have free time. I would appreciate a second pair of eyes. Later! --Ling.Nut 02:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Late reply

Hey Anthon, no problem! As for the poem, you got it—it's Ladino, which is indeed very close to Spanish. Note the differences however between "ninya" and "niña", "kantando" and "cantado", etc. Cheers, Khoikhoi 00:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regional Science

Hi Anthon. Regional science is not geographical science. It is very close to economic geography, but it's focus is on region or regional economics. See here http://www.rri.wvu.edu/loveridgeintroregsci.htm and look at the figure Elements of regional science. It draws his knowledge heavily from economics and geography and other sciences but is not considered as part of any of them. I agree that many regional scientists are among geographers but as much if not more of them are economists, planners and others.

In georaphy there's regional geography which is thought in some universities that could be regarded as geographical science though there are many critics stating its non-scientific nature based on descriptive approach - gathering of information about places. It is also considered as a paradigm (approach to study - regionalism) in geographical sciences. But that's another thing. I talk too much :). GeoW 08:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk: Spiritualism

Well, you guys wore me out, so I won't pursue it if you dig your heels in, but my request on the talk page still stands: if you wish to rate the article, then please leave behind your comments, so that your rating is helpful to those of us who actually do work on the article. Thanks. Anthon.Eff 14:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Class-criteria is available here. If you wish to get a peer review, (thats what it sounds like you want) feel free to request one at the Peer review request place. ---J.S (T/C) 14:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks J.smith, you are correct, I thought you guys were trying to provide something akin to a peer review. I ran an automated peer review and got some good feedback. The WikiProject Religion folks also left some good comments. As I get time, I will try to make some of the suggested improvements and the article may eventually be ready for the full peer review. I appreciate your constructive approach. Anthon.Eff 18:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw the auto-peer-review. I'll help you setup the REF section if you want. ---J.S (T/C) 18:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Anthon, I have been learning an interesting lesson about Wikipedia. In the EVP article, I have been banned, warned and all but strung-up for editing the article because I have a "conflict of interest." It seems that any person who might benefit in some way has one. They don't apply the same rule to people who advocate the Skeptical view, even though it is clearly an ideological advocacy. Nevertheless, I think I would just be a source of tension if I began working on the Spiritual pages. Please do contact me at the http://ethericreality.aaevp.com web site if you need backup. I will be happy to do what I can, but meanwhile, you seem to be doing a great job. Tom Butler 22:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Economic template

I saw your template on the history of economic thought, which I thought was very well done, and I thought you may be interested in helping me out with my template of economics as shown below. Remember 17:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a project for economics. But it is labeled for business and economics, Wikipedia:WikiProject Business and Economics. I put up the template there but have not gotten any comments yet. Remember 04:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yo, I have altered Template:History of economic thought so that it serves as a navigational aid rather than dead-end. However, it no longer links indirectly to the actual economists as some of your previous versions did. Consequently, I have begun creating individual templates for economists of the various schools based on this version of the template in case you are interested in contributing. To give an indication of what I intend, see Template:Mercantilism. Your co-operation would be much appreciated. Skomorokh incite 02:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Population numbers

Hi,

I have seen the numnbers given by Ethnologue before, but the problem is they are very outdated, as most of their sources are from 70s and 80s. Normally we should not include estimates from 30 years ago. Since there are no reliable figures, in my view it is better to use more recent estimates like those in the report by the Council of Europe(which I used for some of the diaspora numbers) or CIA World Fact Book. As for assimilation, please see here [1]: The government's main strategy for assimilating the Kurds has been language suppression. Yet, despite official attempts over several decades to spread Turkish among them, most Kurds have retained their native language. I tried to add a 2006 report by European Council, which confirms the same 15-20% ratio for Kurds of Turkey.Heja Helweda 06:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your question

Hypnosadist posted some... unhelpful text to a lot of user talk pages. I reverted it. Normal action. Guy (Help!) 18:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Reincarnation Research

Hi, Just wanted to thank you for your encouraging words on the Reincarnation Research page. With the passing of Ian Stevenson, some interesting material came to hand, and it's been good to use this to bring the page up to standard. Once again, your comments are much appreciated. John Johnfos 08:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Placing of banners

If your statement on my talk page was a reference to my placing the Spirituality project banner on the articles in the parent Category:Spirituality, which is the stated scope of the project, then I think that your own statement may well be less than well informed. The purpose of my doing so, for what little it might be worth to you, is to find all the articles which have received some form of recognition (GA, FA, DYK, release selection), and inform the various relevant projects of those articles. Certainly, I am in no way asserting that those articles necessarily belong within the scope of a given project, simply that, by the way the article is currently categorized, they are within that project's scope. Factually, I know that several articles which haven't been touched for a long time are by modern standards miscategorized, and I hope to at least draw some attention to these articles, hopefully correcting these miscategorizations, by my actions. If there are objections to stating that a given article falls within the scope of a given project, then I clearly have no objections to having those articles' categorization changed and the banner removed. Also, for what little it's worth, it has become apparent to me that the majority of the "religion" based projects have tagged few if any of the relevant articles (I think Sikhism had all of 19 articles tagged). Also, please note that, as far as possible, when I have changed categories (generally by adding them), it is because there is specific relevant content in the article. For instance, categorizing something as Buddhist if there is a paragraph relating directly to Buddhism in the article. This is done because, unfortunately, very few if any people really are capable of knowing whether statements in a given article are necessarily accurate regarding multiple faiths which might be referenced in that article. The project specific to that faith would be more likely to know that. As stated, of course, if you believe that a given article does not fall within the scope of a given project, you are free to change it. If you do so, however, you might also want to change the categorization, because that is basically the way projects find out what articles are relevant to their projects. John Carter 14:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Some of the questions you asked are hard to answer, One thing they do is indicate to anyone who works on the articles that there is a project interested in that content, and maybe persuade them to join. Another thing that they do is, if there is an assessment function in it, to let members know which articles are in the most need of immediate work, generally the stubs or articles which are of the greatest importance to the subject. Regarding the "presumptuous" ratings, those are always arguable. Generally, though, at least in my case, I never rate an article anything but Stub, Start, or B. GA, A, and FA are generally related to specific review procedures, and I don't try to bypass them. Regarding the last point, that we need people to write articles, I agree. However, we also benefit if those people know whether or not there is already an existing article on that subject. Very often, they don't, particularly if the article isn't tagged as being relevant to the project which relates to the subject. Lastly, as already mentioned, categorization. This is a very big problem, as many articles aren't categorized usefully or at all. At least in my case, when I know of another project which also presumably has an interest in an article, like about a native of the area, I'll make sure that it gets that banner too, so that the editor(s) there know about it as well, and maybe will do some work on it. Finally, these articles will be placed by me anyway on the project's Article list, which makes it easier to check up on changes. None of this necessarily helps make up for the fact that we are always woefully undermanned relative to the content we have, but it is at least a start. And, unfortunately, I don't know how to fix the problem of being undermanned. But making it less effort for interested editors to find content they might be interested in does seem at least to me to be one way to help alleviate that problem. John Carter 13:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lake Van photos

Wow, that was quick! Thanks for writing. I had just uploaded 4 or 5 photos and put the wrong date (1974) on each of them and was in the process of correcting the captions when you wrote. They actually were all taken taken in 1973. Put it down to "Old Timer's Disease"! I should change the date in the full titles of the photos - not just the captions - but I am not sure how to do it - so have just added a note to each. Anyway, I am glad you enjoyed the photos. I hope to add more when I can find the time - they have got slightly damaged and pretty faded and need a bit of editing before I upload them. All best wishes, John Hill 02:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Deobandi

Hey, got your message. The reason I mentioned the issue of sockpuppetry is because the user put the same edit on my talk page twice through different IPs, which got under my skin. As for me removing the links, I knew they were recent Times articles; unfortunately, that article specifically has been a frequent target of POV and i'm sort of on high alert when it comes to that. In addition, I felt that they would be more appropriate in some sort of "recent events" section as opposed to external links but considering the article's aformentioned history of POV I wasn't having it.
Regardless, if you feel that my reverting was out of line then I will defer; perhaps viewing from the outside looking in gives you a clarity I don't have. I'll leave it off for now, and please don't feel shy if you notice anything else you take issue with. I rarely experience people disagreeing with my edits in a civil manner which is sad, so any future feedback is more than welcome. MezzoMezzo 04:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I noticed your save on the Deobandi article. While they are not connected to ibn Abdul-Wahhab, Deobandis are not Salafists either; they are actually a form of Sufism and rooted in the Hanafi madhhab. Salafis as a general rule are opposed to Sufism and are most often do not follow a madhhab or if they do follow the Hanbali. I would recommend checking the article on Salafism and the associated links, as they're quite informative. MezzoMezzo 16:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, keep in mind that anything I tell you is solely my own perspective and shouldn't be taken as fact. Do you know how to enable the emailing function on here? I'm not sure if going in to the details would be considered using Wikipedi as a networking site or not. MezzoMezzo 17:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
If you wanna see a good example of what we talked about in our emails, check the talk pages for Barelwi and Deobandi...lol. MezzoMezzo 03:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi Anthon, not only do I like the anecdote that you begin your page with (because i think it's great to see another editor who believes in something he/she is doing), I want to ask for your help in getting a couple of pages merged - including one that you started - Schools of economics with Economic schools of thought. I'm doing this more as a wider project of creating the History of economic thought page and eventually (one never knows) making the economics page something useable. Please get back, or if you are happy to, have a go at merging. Wikidea 01:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I see - well, if I was simply placing the material from the relevant schools from one article into the other, without changing the headers (unless some need to be added?) then that wouldn't hobble the article's usefulness as a base for the template, would it? (I only just put the tag up btw, when I messaged you!) If we did that, then there wouldn't I think be those linking problems. What someone has very usefully done btw is create colourful little templates for the separate schools you've listed on the big one (except socialist, institutional and one or two others). I've collected them all on the main page. Wikidea 08:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of economic thought

Hello Athon, obviously, you haven't followed what's been going on. History of economics was merged into the History of economic thought page. Economic history is a page which I've just put up a few stub headers in to talk about the economic history of the world (ergo History of economics!). Don't revert things without looking into them. Wikidea 22:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three reverts

Listen Athon, whatever you think about the economic history page, the title History of economics, as previously was, is now GONE. Don't revert again to the whole previous page, because that was discussed.

The choice is, either you think History of economics is a synonym for History of economic thought or you think it is a synonym for Economic history. If there's disagreement over which it is, in neither case should you be putting the previous page up, because that's already been merged (after discussion). I don't mind which it is actually - and I've changed it back to the History of economic thought page. But I would suggest that going "no no no no no" is not the best way of getting ideas across. Wikidea 10:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Relax Wikidea. You are not in a battle. But your actions are way too bold. No one merges pages without some discussion. Typically the notice sits on both pages for a month or so before any action is taken. The merge you did yesterday was extremely inappropriate: Economic history is a subdiscipline of economics that looks at the history of the economy; History of economics is a subdiscipline of economics that looks at the history of the discipline of economics. Your merge ruined the Economic history page.
Your merge project has me totally bewildered, so maybe you can explain it to me. Didn't you already announce on September 15 that you had merged the content of History of economics with History of economic thought? What prompted you to do yesterday's merge? Please understand that I'm perplexed, and apprehensive about what you plan to do next. I'm an academic economist, as is JQ and a few others, and any of us would be glad to discuss your plans with you, so that no unwelcome controversy arises. best regards --Anthon.Eff 15:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
(1) I merged the content from the history of economics page into the history of economic thought page and others (2) the redirect from hoe to hoet was set up (3) then I decided just a couple of days ago I changed my mind and thought hoe would better redirect to Economic history.
(1) and (2) were discussed - which is what I think you've missed. I'm not planning to do anything next with merging! Believe it or not, page merging is minor. If you have a look at the HoET page, then it's things like actual writing that I'm more interested in. I don't think my actions are bold by the way. I get things done, and write stuff on encyclopedias for people to read. Perhaps with your academic economist credentials you could help with that too. :) Wikidea 16:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I see. It was only the last step that was a mistake (the merge into economic history). You've fixed that now, so all is well. It is also a mistake to do a merge without announcing it well ahead of time on both pages (you didn't do that with Economic history, and you only let a day or so go by with Schools of economics). Leaving plenty of time for feedback from other editors helps avoid unpleasant incidents. Just to be clear, I did notice the discussion on the proposed merge of hoe to hoet, and I noticed that you followed JQ's suggestion. I hope you noticed that I have been supportive of your efforts, even to the point of trusting you to handle the tricky template-link issues associated with Schools of economics. I have been supportive because I think you are really trying to write articles, and WP needs editors, like you, who want to write articles. Thanks for responding in a civil manner and clearing this up. --Anthon.Eff 20:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish lesson

It's always nice to see someone interested in the Swedish language! Please ignore if you weren't attempting to write in Swedish but since I noticed you wrote something incorrectly twice, I'm pretty sure it wasn't just a typo now. The correct way to write "reply to panda" in Swedish is "svar till panda", not "svar til panda". There are Swedish-English translators on the web that you may find helpful. (Sorry, I don't know of any off the top of my head.) While I don't care if you wish to use Swedish in your edit summary, others may since this is the English Wikipedia and some editors may not understand it. If you'd like to converse in Swedish, our talk pages may be a more appropriate forum for that. –panda 14:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I responded on your talk page, panda. But I think anyone with a good grasp of Swedish would have understood that I wrote in Danish, so I can only interpret this as a catty comment by an angry mammal, classified in the bear family, native to central-western and southwestern China. --Anthon.Eff 15:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
No need to resort to personal attacks. –panda 16:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics

I think it's now clear that consensus is for "Nobel Prize in Economics". If Liftarn continues to edit war on this I think we should request comment on his behavior. -- Vision Thing -- 17:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template for Econ Prize

Please see Template talk:Nobel Prize in Economics#Proposed Template Name & Title. –panda 21:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

I understand that you are very adamant to keep calling the The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel a "Nobel Prize", but that does not give you the excuse to violate the WP:NPA policy. Note especially what is never acceptable: "Racial, sexual, homophobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, or other epithets (such as against disabled people) directed against another contributor." (bolded for emphasis by me). I do not appreciate to be called a communist because I want an article to be based on facts in stead of a common misconception[2].--Lensor 15:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I believe Anthon.Eff wrote that everyone who states the fact that the economics prize is not a Nobel Prize is a communist, or at least people who "conform to the position of the Swedish Communist Party". But that still violates WP:NPA. –panda 16:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Well now I know that you guys are offended by the word communist. It must be an opprobrious term in Swedish. Ain't so in English. The term communist defines a place on the political spectrum--you know, to the left of Gunnar Myrdal, occupied by the people you have been quoting: Vänsterpartiet kommunisterna (Left Party - The Communists). --Anthon.Eff 17:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Care to share exactly what quote you are referring to? –panda 18:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I never quoted any communists (unless you regard the Nobel Foundation communists). Anyways, now you know that calling someone a communist, especially when it completely unfounded and based upon a desire to stick to the facts, is offensive. It might not be offensive to you, but it is to me.--Lensor 18:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
here is your quote panda. Lensor, you are right, you didn't quote any communists, so obviously I'm not talking about you. --Anthon.Eff 18:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
That is text from an article that was published in DN. What does that have to do with communists believing that the prize is not a Nobel Prize? They actually state nothing about that -- if you read the article carefully and find out what the background was for their criticisms, you might actually understand what they are criticizing. Also, are you admitting that you're calling me a communist then? –panda 18:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Johan Galtung

Just a warning that you are far far over the 3 revert limit in the Johan Galtung article. –panda 19:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Tranquilate, Panda. It's 4 reverts within 24 hours that's a problem. And it's User:Nastykermit who has broken that rule (on one occasion). I've simply restored text that he reverted. Nastykermit has submitted this for impartial folks to decide. You aren't impartial, so you should recuse yourself. --Anthon.Eff 19:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiquette alert

FYI. I've filed a Wikiquette alert about your behavior. –panda 05:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

In response to this, I will ask you to stop arguing your side of the dispute on the basis that particular editors are communists, sockpuppets, or "little boys alone in their rooms in Norway." It's inappropriate, and is resulting in a hostile and inappropriate editing climate. Furthermore, your edits are open for all to see - no one can be stalking you by viewing edits that that you freely contribute to Wikipedia. If you would prefer to contribute to another encyclopedia or web forum in which your posts or edits are private, that is up to you. --Cheeser1 16:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Prize in Economics

Since you have voted in the last rename request and are aware of the dispute, I would like to inform you about new page rename request at Talk:Nobel_prize_in_Economics#Compromise_move. -- Vision Thing -- 17:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)