Talk:Anti-Racist Action

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[edit] removing

I´m removing NPOV notice... since nobody has left anything on the talk page or anywhere else that i can find to indicate where the bias in this article exists... Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute

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[edit] Leftist political ties

I think the group's overt connection to several communist or far-left socialist political groups must be mentioned. In Canada there is a very definite link between the Marxist-Leninist Party and Communist Party of Canada.

I think you are going to have to provide a source. I doubt you have anything "very definite", since it's not true. --Mista-X 16:52, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Speaking for myself, I've seen a couple clips on Youtube of the ARA disrupting some sort of neo-nazi demonstration/protest. There were definitely some communistic phrases and quotes mentioned in the clip. I'll try to post a link if I can track it down again.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cashcleaner (talk • contribs) 05:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

One or two "Communist phrases" spoken by someone in a video shows that person might be a communist, but I don't see how it would show links between ARA and any of the CPs. --Mista-X 19:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Checked. Can't find it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Mista-X, and agree that until there is confirmed evidence it only seems like there is a large number of communists associated with ARA in Toronto, but no link between the group's leadership and established leftist political parties.

Who is the leadership of ARA? By the very bases of the group's organizational structure (anarchist principles) I would think there would be no such thing as a "leader". Also, what is your bases for saying there is a "large number of communists"? How do you know who are members of ARA, who are supporters who simply go to their events, rallies or actions, and who are members of other organizations that go to their rallies? How do you then break down the communist-anarchist-non-ideological ratio of the membership? How do you know if the membership is the same as that of two or 3 years ago? etc. etc. You must either be deeply involved with the organization, a CSIS agent, or you are simply just speculating. --Mista-X 19:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ARA is non-ideological

Therefore it should not be associated with Anarchism. It is fair to mention that the majority of the members are usually Anarchist, but for example this is not the case anymore in Toronto, where most of the members are now communist. --Mista-X 05:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Though the membership does change; so this may no longer be the case. --Mista-X 19:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auto-biographical bad, right?

The use of "we" and heavy bias were present in the last edit. I've restored an earlier version, that wasn't so bloody self-congratulatory. The ARA is not an unblemished organisation.

[edit] Unblemished?

While certainly not unblemished, ARA is not the violent hate group that it's made out to be in this article.

If one took the time to research those so-called riots that are mentioned, one would learn that nearly none were shown conclusively to have been started by or involved ARA members.

Neo-nazi's have murdered ARA members (and many, many others) in the past, not the other way around.


[edit] No real factual errors

Everything on the page is more or less true.

A balanced page about ARA would be wonderful, but balanced does not mean it must be laudatory of the group.


Since no one has contradicted the above statement, I'm going to remove the {disputed} tag. Thanks, -Willmcw 07:25, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-Choice Vs. Pro-Life

There is a debate over when life begins. But there is no debate whether or not abortion is a choice. Except for instances where aborition is forced on someone, which doesn't apply to this issue. Therefor I feel the word "anti-choice" should be left and linked to "pro-life". --Mista-X 20:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, so we use the term as it is used, not as you feel would be most accurate. See WP:NOR. Sam Spade 21:05, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And even further, such a piped wikilink would be really bizarre: If "anti-choice" is really the neutral term, then we'd have an article at anti-choice and wouldn't need a piped wikilink. The term "anti-abortion activists" would be acceptable in place of "pro-life activists" though, if people prefer it. Also, the now-removed scare quotes around "activists" were very odd. --Delirium 02:49, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. I added in brakets the ARA would refer to them as "anti-choice" or "anti-abortion"... hopefully this is acceptable?

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 05:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pro life vs Anti Abortion

Can everybody at least click on the link anti abortion. Do you see where it goes? The wikipedia community has already decided what the correct term is. Please respect it. Prester John (talk) 18:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Pro-life is a term representing a variety of perspectives and activist movements in bioethics. It can be used to indicate opposition to practices such as euthanasia, human cloning, research involving human embryonic stem cells, and the death penalty, but most commonly (especially in the media and popular discourse) to abortion, and support for fetal rights. - so according to the page you are talking about pro-life goes further than simply being against abortion, when there is an widely used term, that deals exclusively with abortion, then perhaps it would be the correct term to use, however according to the pro-life page, pro-life also means being against the death penalty, are you trying to say that the ARA are pro-death penalty? Can you cite an example of them being pro-death penalty? if you can, please do so, so that this issue can be clear.Sennen goroshi (talk) 02:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you tried the link anti abortion. Try it again. where does it go? Why do you think that is? Stop throwing Red Herrings around about the death penalty. Prester John (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


shall we ask for a third opinion regarding this? My opinion is that there are many people who are anti-abortion, however are not pro-life. There are many people who are anti-abortion, but pro-death penalty, what does that make them? Semi-Pro-life? anyway, lets discuss this and see if we can come to a solution that everyone is happy with Sennen goroshi (talk) 02:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

You probably should. Since the link anti abortion infact goes to the page pro-life, I will keep "Bypassing" your POV redirect attempts. Prester John (talk) 02:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I respect the fact that you are honest, and are willing to admit the fact that you are willing and plan to enter into an edit-war, despite it being in clear violation of wikipedia guidelines. I however, will try to solve this issue with discussion, and yet again, I am asking you to discuss this issue. Do yourself a favour, John. with the greatest respect Sennen goroshi (talk) 02:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it is correct policy to bypass any POV redirects. Prester John (talk) 02:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

anyway problem solved, thanks to spylab. Sometimes it is best for the 2 people who have a difference of opinion to step back for a moment, and let someone else deal with it.Sennen goroshi (talk) 02:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)