Talk:Anthony van Dyck

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[edit] Van Dyck beard

Is this van Dyck the person after whom the beard style that involves a goatee with a mustache named? If so, can someone find a citation and add it, here, possibly with a link from goatee? Thanks. -Harmil 15:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Could be, because he was the prominent portrait painter of an age when this type of beard was very common. I don't know however. Piet | Talk 09:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

There are websites where this is claimed, however I do not know how reliable any of them are.--Filll 12:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relationship to Rubens

I've reverted to previous description of van Dyck's relationship to Rubens, using Brown's catalogue of 1999 as source. Notwithstanding the younger artist's precociousness, he was a teenager, not yet a peer of Rubens', and is described as a pupil as well as his primary assistant. Rubens referred to van Dyck as his 'best pupil' (without actually naming the younger artist) in a letter to an ambassador to the Hague, sans irony, in an attempt to sell him a painting. JNW 01:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Not too sure about this; he was a free master of the guild from Feb 1618, so could not really be anyone's pupil from then on. He is described as one of R's "discipelen" in a 1620 contract though. There is a school of thought that really was a pupil of R say 1613-15, but little evidence for this. I accept the irony is wrong in relation to that letter, though I have a memory of something there, but not this one presumably. I'm happy enough as it stands, though the whole article needs going over. Nothing in my source (NG Flemish catalogue, Gregory Martin) about a workshop with Breughel btw. I should have looked at something before editing of course.

What date is the letter? Johnbod 01:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

First thing first: I'm glad you're working on this. I added some here a few months ago, but this is an entry in great need of expansion. 'Hard evidence' of collaboration with Rubens exists from 1617. You are right that van Dyck registered as an independent master on Feb. 11, 1618; yet the letter from Rubens to Sir Dudley Carleton is dated April 28, 1618, wherein Rubens refers to a painting for sale for 600 guilders, 'done by my best pupil', and retouched by R. In Brown's words 'Not only did he follow the typology of Rubens' figures, he also imitated his master's style....Van Dyck was active in Rubens' workshop both before and after he was registered as a master painter...He could not have hoped for a better master or role model'.

No doubt Rubens recognized the young painter's greatness (as did everyone else, it seems), so it is not unlikely that he may have at some time used the word 'pupil' ironically, but initially theirs must have been a master/pupil relationship...though what an interesting dynamic that must have been. In 1615 or 16 the boy set up an independent workshop with his friend and contemporary Jan Brueghel the Younger, possibly because van Dyck's father's business was failing, and he needed to earn a living (this last, nearly verbatim from Brown). JNW 02:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok - That must have been a wierd dynamic as Breughel was born 1601 - Beavis & Butthead paint masterpieces heh heh! I'm clocking off for tonight but will probably return. Johnbod 02:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)