Talk:Anglo-American relations

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[edit] German-Irish?

I removed this from the article for further discussion here.

German-Britons and German-Americans generally accepted what was beyond their control, to willingly join up in the next war against Austrian Germany under the Nazi Party. There are however remaining today from this, minor remnants of Neo-Nazi outbursts amongst a small minority of Germanic citizens. Most of the hostility has been taken on by other peoples, who have adopted the Nazi cause for themselves in an unrelated fashion from the imperialist antagonisms that ruled both world wars. A socioethnic solution to loyal German frustrations in being largely stigmatised and seen as foreign, had to be deduced. The ideal was a combination of German and Irish relationships to recreate and supplement the WASP Anglo-Saxon/Celtic fusion so successful in both the UK/US ascendencies, which has today resulted in much of the population in America now having a dual heritage of German/Irish. This was also intended to solve some tensions in Northern Ireland, since Irish Americans were funding the Irish Republican Army.

Where is the evidence of a widespread socio-economic eugenics project combining Germans and Irishmen? Am I miss reading this section? Rmhermen 16:05, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

That was the Anglosphere's idea of racial superiority in those days. Of course, it's not felt much these days unless by witnessing neo-nazi groups talk. It's bad press for the Anglo-Americans, who fought Nazis over world power. ScapegoatVandal 16:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
...And must you stalk my edits so closely? What interests you to do this? ScapegoatVandal 16:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the war on terror stuff is quite right. It is saying that government support for X is the same as the citizens' support for X. Blair and Bush are allies - Blair is a very strong atlanticist. The war in iraq was (and still is) extremely controversial in the UK. Secretlondon 16:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


I've just removed the following para because it's rubbish:-

Anglo-American relations were definitively shared in the antebellum sinking of the RMS Titanic, which served to steer support in reversal of an earlier United States isolationism. German Americans were originally confirmed in loyalty to the Anglo-American cause as a result of the Germanic British Royal Family and their service in the American Civil War, but became suspected traitors in defection for Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany once the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha changed into the House of Windsor. Irish Americans were seen as frequently drunken troublemakers and their coordination with relatives during the Easter Rising caused a return to Anti-Catholicism with the initially successful introduction of Prohibition.
Firstly I think they mean the Lusitania rather than the Titanic, secondly I don't understand what the British Royal family changing their surname has to do with the loyaly or otherwise of German-Americans and thirdly WTF has prohibition got to do with it? Jooler 01:32, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Irish Americans were seen as frequently drunken troublemakers and their coordination with relatives during the Easter Rising caused a return to Anti-Catholicism with the initially successful introduction of Prohibition.

This is one of the most hillarious statements I have read this week. I'm pretty sure the Americans let the Fenian Brotherhood attack Canada via Buffalo. So years later when there is a rebellion in Ireland, there would be a return to Anti-Catholicism in the US?? Hahaha really funny! (But seriously... isn't the user that put up that para a vandal? Superdude99 15:12, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I've attempted to increase the number of links to other more specific Wikipedia articles in the diplomatic history section. I've also removed the references to the influence of the 'Auld Alliance' on the war of 1812, and the influence of the 'Forty-Eighters' on the British attitude to the Civil War. Anecdota


The sentence

Despite this close wartime co-operation, the US also took the opportunity during and after the war to break the remaining economic power of the British Empire - see Economic history of the United Kingdom

has been removed because the linked-to article does not support the assertion being made. The idea seems to be that ending lend-lease when the war was over and getting the British to agree that the pound would be convertible are 'break(ing) the remaining economic power of the British Empire', which is questionable, to say the least.


[edit] NPOV

the phrase in the culture section that reads "British tastes are often more cerebral and refined than American" is completely not NPOV.--Billiot 08:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

You say that, but come to Britain for a week and see it for yourself... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.165.252 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Assert, assert, assert. The USA is more powerful, richer, bigger and influential than the UK. Can't we just leave Britain alone now? The Revolutionary War is over. Besides, they are better than us on a couple of points, surely? SAS is superior to Delta Force, and they don't have a death penalty or 'no loitering' signs, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.165.252 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] United Kingdom-United States relations

This title is linguistically artifical - there is no reson to do this as Anglo-American relations is the generally used and accepted term! 68.215.98.162 00:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Well then why dont we merge United Kingdom-United States relations into this article? (Electrobe (talk) 09:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC))

I would agree because I was actually redirected to this page when in fact I was looking for the information present in the United Kingdom-United States relations article. I see no reason at all why these should be two different articles. This page also doesn't seem to merit being considered a "full" article, it would appear to be more of a summary of the relationship rather than a more in-depth (and personally preferable) article. Rajrajmarley (talk) 01:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "their philosophical white supremacy underpinnings are similar"

Erm...............what. The British were electing non white, ethnic minorities in the 1800s, so i think this should be edited, infact deleted

[edit] 1812

I noticed lots of stuff is opinionated and not sourced, but the 1812 article came to my attention. It is NOT neutral, and is un-informed. The following I know from the History Channel The main reason for the declaration of was forcing American merchants into Royal Navy service. Impressment was reduced at the time of the declaration of war, but communication back then meant it took days to get messages from Europe to North America. Seeing as the U.S. lacked the naval capacity to attack Britain (the U.S. had to raise an army from practically nil, too), they sent militia troops up to Canada to fight what was then a territory of Britain, and due to marching through forests in the harsh winter, frost bite, disease etc severely weakened the troops, and Canada managed to repel the attack. After Napoleon was defeated, experienced British troops came and attacked D.C. After a weak delaying action, the British burned down every government structure in D.C. accept for the post office, than A hurricane drove the British out. Since the cause of the war was not an issue anymore, this allowed peace negotiations to proceed well. When the peace treaty was made, the U.S. OBLITERATED British troops at the Battle of New Orleans due to communications of the time.

The way it is now, is not factual or neutral. 65.27.139.162 13:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Oregon?

This article should have at least minimal references to the early 19th century situation in Oregon, which it currently lacks. The two major watershed topics are 1) the joint Oregon occupation treaty of 1818, and 2) the bluff and bluster tactics of President Polk in the 1840's that nearly precipitated another war with Great Britain over the control of Oregon (54-40 or fight). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.173.164 (talk) 01:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Newspapers

I removed reference to several newspapers containing condensed copies of the New York Times, as this is only true of The Observer, as shown by the citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.97.11 (talk) 04:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The country comparison section

I think that the heading for this section needs a year of reference in the title. My guess is that the statistics relate to about the year 2000. I will look in my 'Economist Magazine' data and check. If the stats indicate a 'then' year around 2000, I propose to insert it unless somebody has an objection (please let me know if you have). Also: is the ethnicity data really relevant? thanks Bruce bruce (talk) 17:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I question the relevance of the whole section. If it's to somehow show points of commonality between the two countries, then the only thing that really stands out is the English language. The ethnic terminology used in the two countries is also different ('Asian' has a much broader meaning in the UK, for example) so you really can't draw comparisons there. People of mixed ethnic descent are only called 'multiracial' in the States, the British term is 'Mixed Race', so god knows what that word is doing on the British side of the table. Indisciplined (talk) 20:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)