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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Photos 1.2 Fair use rationale for Image:General Andranik.jpg 1.3 Last version by Seemsclose

[edit] Comments

[edit] Photos

Hey Eupator, I have several excellently pristine, authentic photographs of Andranik dating back to the early 1900s of Andranik and I'll try to find the best one to upload here.

Regards--MarshallBagramyan 04:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I have a picture of his equestrian statue in Yerevan. I want the article to be expanded a little before I add it though. I also took a few pictures of Baghramyan's statue. I have very mixed feeling about him though. --Eupator 17:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Mixed feelings on how successful of a commander he was or mixed feelings about him per se? I always saw him as the amiable, little Armenian grandpa in his pictures.--MarshallBagramyan 22:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Mixed feelings whether he should be considered an Armenian hero. Baghramyan served the USSR not Armenia and I'm not sure but I think he was also fighting against Armenian forces for the Bolsheviks during the takeover of Armenia. Anyway, that's OT-reply in my talk.--Eupator 22:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you this but my grandfather did see Andranik in Kars when the Russian army was mounting offensives from there. He recalled that he rode on a white horse and took off a cape which had several bullet holes in it, demonstrating the numerous amount of times he was shot at but never wounded. He also personally met Serob Pasha's wife, Sose, when she stayed at their house.--MarshallBagramyan 19:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

And the prince on his white horse swooped down the plains to bring Cinderella her shoe and his bullet-ridden cape :) Better say "considered a freedom fighter by the Armenians", per NPOV btw. And my grandfather met a lot of people too, but met's not get into that :)Baristarim 20:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:General Andranik.jpg

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[edit] Last version by Seemsclose

Some parts of new addings are dubious or historically not correct so its preferable to discuss these addings at first:

• what means the edit summary: "to user Fedayee"?
• "but disagreement with party policies led Andranik to leave the Hunchak ranks": Andranik never had disagreements with S-D. Hunchakian party, he just leave it after 1895-96 division,
• "A mission was led by Andranik...etc": an uncorrect translation from Chalabian. Serob's sons were killed in 1899.
• "General Andranik": during the Balkan War I he was an officier.
• "Republic of Mountainous Armenia": very dubious chapter name. In all the books about Andranik I ever read there werent such a division of his activities. F.e. in that time Zangezur was a part of Democr. Rep. of Armenia, it became a RMA during the Njdeh's leadership.
• "to find Andriank around the Shishi" - ??
• "The Armenian militia under Adriancik's" - ??
• "taking with him a group of loyal solders"- he went with few secretaries.

Summaty: this variant is dubious and must be explained and at least partially reverted to the prev. more correct encyclopedic style-version. Andranikpasha (talk) 16:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Pls discuss at first here! Andranik also wasnt "an officer of the Garegin Njdeh", but the head of Armenian volunteer troops (see the same Trotsky). and this one quote is more than dubious: "Third Army found Andriank(Andranik) at the Shishi(Shushi)": during his life Andranik never entered to Shushi. he was near Shushi in 1919 when he received a command to return. Andranikpasha (talk) 17:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed OR that equals to vandalism and breaks WP:WTA - Fedayee (talk) 21:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed an uncorrect text on Andranik's ARF membership. Several times he said that he represent all the Armenian nation and all the oppressed people, and only for some periods was different partie's member. Andranikpasha (talk) 17:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)