Talk:Ambassador class starship

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How canon is the Technical Manual? Isn't most of it conjecture? I thought something was only canon until it had been seen on screen. -Branddobbe 04:02, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Well, Mike Okuda and Rick Sternbach's introduction says "...done by folks who actually work on Star Trek. It's closely based on source material developed in conjunction with our writers and producers in our role as technical consultants for the series. ...it can be considered pretty 'official'.", so I'd say that it's canon, though secondary to anything on-screen. -- Djinn112 05:19, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. OK. Well, it would probably be best to note that, then. -Branddobbe 05:50, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Hey, speaking of the Technical Manual, does it say "Ambassador-class starship" or "Ambassador class starship"? The Encyclopedia goes both routes depending on how it's used: for the Endeavour, for example, it says "Federation starship, Nebula class, Starfleet registry number blah blah blah". But for the (original) Enterprise, it says "The original U.S.S. Enterprise was a Constitution-class vessel". So I think that it uses a hyphen when it comes in front of another word (ship, vessel, etc.) and has no hyphen otherwise. What does the Technical Manual do? -Branddobbe 07:11, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

It leaves a space there all the time. -- Djinn112 16:33, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Huh. Well, that doesn't resolve anything. I guess we might as well leave it how it is; it's easier to do that than move things around. -Branddobbe 19:28, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

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I didn't know where to ask this, but I suppose here is okay. I don't believe there's a list of all of the known Starfleet starship classes on Wikipedia and I think that it would be a good thing to have. My question is, should we have a MediaWiki message with all of them on each class' page, a regular list article, or both? -- Djinn112 01:41, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

My vote is both. -Branddobbe 03:03, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

I started starship class based on the "starship chart" in the Encyclopedia. I should note, however, that the book was printed in 1999 and the chart (if I am interpreting the book's introduction correctly) only goes partway through the 1996-1997 production season. I'll go make a MediaWiki message now. -Branddobbe 03:56, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Voila. {{msg:trekshipclass}} -Branddobbe 04:09, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

LCARScom.Net lists a few more: Nova, Peregrine, Prometheus, and Wells. I'll put those on the lists. -- Djinn112 04:46, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] USS Yamuguchi and USS Excalibur

"USS Yamaguchi (NCC-26510) / Named for Yamaguchi prefecture, Japan, ..."
Is there any evidence that the ship was named for the province in Japan, rather than, say, Kristi Yamaguchi?
--wwoods 10:09, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Source: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/name_origins2.htm

Quote: ""USS Yamaguchi (NCC-26510) / Named for Yamaguchi prefecture, Japan, ..." Is there any evidence that the ship was named for the province in Japan, rather than, say, Kristi Yamaguchi? --wwoods 10:09, 20 May 2004 (UTC)"

Why would Starfleet name a starship for a 20th century figure skater?

No reason I can think of for Starfleet to name a ship after either, unless Yamaguchi is the name a an IJN ship, like Musashi and Yamato. However, I can imagine a writer for a mid-'90s TV show, straining to come up with a bunch of shipnames beyond the WW2 aircraft carriers, thinking it would sound both exotic and familiar. Scanning through the starship-class pages, I see a Rabin and a Tien an Mein. I also see a Honshu and Kyushu, so Japanese place names aren't out of the question, but a mere prefecture still seems kind of obscure.
--wwoods 07:46, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

I wrote that the "Yamuguchi" was named for the prefecture in Japan since Bernd Schneider also thought that the "Yamuguchi" was named for the thing in Japan.

Source: http://www.combinedfleet.com/officer.htm

Apparently, there was an admiral in the IJN named Tamon Yamaguchi, who went down with the Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Hiryu at the Battle of Midway. Maybe the USS Yamaguchi was named for him and we have a precedent of a Ambassador class starship named for WW2 officers in the USS Zhukov, named for Georgy Zhukov.

--Blue387 20:07, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Also:

Sources: http://www.reviewboy.com/survival.html http://www.durfee.net/startrek/voy_6.html http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~djc/startrek/expand/federation2.html

Three was a Starfleet engineer on the U.S.S. Excalibur named Marika Willkara. She was assimilated by the Borg and apeared as a drone in VOY "Survival Instinct." It would appear that the "Excalibur" fought the Borg at some point. However, since the "Excalibur" existed in 2368 for the Romulan tachyon blockade, it appears that the "Excalibur" was not destroyed at Wolf 359 but perhaps at the battle of Sector 001 in 2373. But how did engineer Marika Willkara leave the "Excalibur" as a drone and appear over a year later in the Delta Quadrant when the Borg cube and sphere were destroyed in "First Contact?" In the end of the episode, she ends up as a crewmember of "Voyager," which screws things up even more. Just a few random thoughts.

blue

Probably the same unknown way the Borg Queen alluded to in First Contact.

[edit] Ambassador

About the removal by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EEMeltonIV of my correction to the page please review that scene again the subject of the conversation is the Enterprise not Kirk therefore the reference to the class of ship not a person's title. Also the phrase (fully equipped) is used to help establish the subject. Please state your reason to believe it was the persons title not the ship class.Morningstar T 10:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's see. The context of the exchange is about Kirk (i.e. a person); Kirk is responding that HE is not equipped for the task, and that an ambassador (person, not the ship class) is a better choice.

Runner up explanation, however, is that the dialogue is ambiguous -- of the three words in the phrase "Ambassador-class starship", Kirk only utters three; it would be speculation/WP:OR to suggest that he's talking about the ship. The obvious, literal meaning makes sense in context and I honestly think you're the only person out there who thinks that Kirk was talking about a ship class rather than a person. No doubt Kirk would point out that it's not the ship's class that matters, rather it's the people who run it. --EEMeltonIV 20:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with this. There is no reason to make the very odd assumption that he is referring to an Ambassador class starship - the plain interpretation of the dialog is that Kirk is complaining that he, Kirk, is being sent on the mission. He's certainly not saying "You'd better send me, but on a bigger ship and not the Enterprise", that would be totally out of character for Kirk! Morwen - Talk 09:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] USS Hannibal not canon?

The reference for the USS Hannibal is from "Star Trek: Deep Space 9 novel #10, Antimatter."

I was under the impression that only references from the show would be considered canon. I'm just curious, but why should this be an exception? Also, it's the only ship named after a conqueror, a very "un-federation" thing to do, particularly during the period of TNG since it would have been built and named before the major wars took place during the DS9 period. Personally, I think it should be removed? Anyone else have an opinion on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbo9000 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)