Talk:Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri
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[edit] The {bias} tag
BonsaiViking put a {bias} tag on this article. I've encouraged them to be specific about what they thought was biased.
In my opinion making the wikipedia have a NPOV does not mean that it should shrink away from topics that might embarrass some readers. Some readers may think this article is biased because they feel it puts the Bush administration in an unflattering light, and this means it is biased. I disagree. I did my best to have my contribution to the article be just a simple stating of the facts in al-Marri's case. \
Slavery was once widespread in certain parts of the world. If slavery was still being practiced today, and there was a slave revolt, like that described in the movie Spartacus, would we allow apologists for the slavery industry to mark uses of the term slave revolt as biased? Would we let them use NPOV/POV discussions to make the rest of us drop mention of the revolt, or use euphemisms, like calling it a "labor dispute"?
I think it is the same here. Al-Marri's imprisonment, without charge, is significant. The conditions of his imprisonment is significant. I tried my best to have my contribution let the facts speak for themselves. I welcome a serious discussion of what this article should contain. -- Geo Swan 17:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry I didn't start the discussion page, I'm kinda new here. The reason for the {bias} tag was while the article properly used "report" or "reportedly" to describe his conditions, it only reflects one point of view, namely that of al-Marri and his lawyers. I realize the difficulty of obtaining clear facts in a case like this, which is why I believe it would not have been an appropriate inclusion in a traditional encyclopedia (which Wikipedia is not). Your updates to the External Links section since the tag was placed go a long way toward neutrality in this article, but as you noted in your edit summary on the CBS link, some of that information should be included in the article. -- BonsaiViking 16:22, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] The {crime-stub} categorization?
Is Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri a criminal? Someone categorized his article with a {crime-stub}. May I suggest this is inappropriate, until he has been convicted of a crime. He was charged with some banking crimes. But the charges were dropped. He has not been convicted of any crimes. Since, under the US justice system, someone is innocent until proven guilty, al-Marri is still an innocent man.
So I am changing it to a {law-stub}. -- Geo Swan 08:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
He is not a criminal but an alleged criminal, so he does belong in the {{crime-bio-stub}} category.--Carabinieri 08:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I would concur with Carabinieri, but because the tag states "This crime-related biographical article", not "This criminal-related biographical article". -- BonsaiViking 16:22, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Link to court opinion
Should we add a link to the 4th circuit's opinion? See AL-MARRI v WRIGHT
[edit] Define brig
Would be useful to define brig: from the article I'm not sure if he's on a two-masted sailing ship or a naval prison in South Carolina. 203.109.163.218 12:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image
There are a couple of images of this guy floating around on the web. One of them has got to be public domain. I looked, but could not find. I'm tempted to claim fair use, but would rather get a free shot. Any thoughts? —Gaff ταλκ 18:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
