Talk:Aleksey Petrovich Yermolov
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[edit] Neutral POV?
No NPOV. I'm no expert on Yermolov by any means, but he has a reputation for being a horrifically brutal general in his campaigns in the Caucuses. This deserves a more thorough treatment than this unsourced haiographic for this "freedom-loving" character.--Francisx 18:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- Dear Francisx, do you have any refs that claim the Yermolov's cruelty was exceptional for his time, or is it that you apply modern standards of humane rights to the 18th century? In the latter case, your tag isn't justified. --Irpen 18:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- From a quick google search, I see this: [1] "The cruelties of Russians under the notorious General Yermolov knew no bounds.... With his army of 85,000 men. armed with heavy artillery, the like of which had never been seen in North Caaucasus, Yermolov led a war against women, children and old people in order to get their men who caused him great trouble by continually coming down on his soldiers in narrow impassable mountain paths.... Russians were brought to settle in these territories so that today about 60 per cent of the population in most of the Mohammedan provinces all the way down to Azerbaidjan is made up of these uninvited people from the North.”"
- I know nothing about the source, which is "Muslims Under the Czars and the Soviets" by J.G. Tiwari, Copyright © 1984, AIRP, but the point is that the present article comes across as a hagiography, and not everyone is willing to concede sainthood to Gen. Yermolov. Perhaps a more independent-minded assesment would be in order.--Francisx 20:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- This is an old fable voiced by Chechen terrorists on their websites. When foreign media ask them, why do you behead children and (mind you) British citizens and take pride at that, they answer: it's because that darned Yermolov learned us nasty things. Pure bullshit and POV. His only "crime" was to bury the islamic fanatics under pigs' remains, which effectively blocked them the way into their paradise and effectively discouraged them from waging Jihad against Christian population. A very effective way of anti-terrorist struggle, which needs to be taken up by US troops in Iraq. --Ghirlandajo 07:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- I agree that the link is POV. But the article is also POV --- calling him a "hero" in the first sentence is nothing less. For the article to be anything other than POV, there needs to be at least a discussion of claims made against him and a discussion of him as a Russian general (good or bad), not as a "hero."--Francisx 18:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
- This is an old fable voiced by Chechen terrorists on their websites. When foreign media ask them, why do you behead children and (mind you) British citizens and take pride at that, they answer: it's because that darned Yermolov learned us nasty things. Pure bullshit and POV. His only "crime" was to bury the islamic fanatics under pigs' remains, which effectively blocked them the way into their paradise and effectively discouraged them from waging Jihad against Christian population. A very effective way of anti-terrorist struggle, which needs to be taken up by US troops in Iraq. --Ghirlandajo 07:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The link doesn't seem neutral but still, if you add to the article that the N. Caucaus insurgency was suppressed with the brutality, I think no one would object. --Irpen 23:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll do some reading. Again, I don't know enough to comment adequately, but I'll see what I can learn.--Francisx 00:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Is this the official Yermolov fansite?
I think I've never seen anything like this on Wikipedia yet. --84.234.60.154 07:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Shamil's Surrender
As far as I know, Yermolov wasn't present and the the guy in the picture doesn't resemble him either. Anyone object to me removing the pic? AllenHansen (talk) 19:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
