Talk:Al-Muhajiroun

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[edit] Cleanups and Citing Sources

Even as a ignoramus on the subject, I would like to remark that many of the claims on this page definitely need sourcing, and that the article needs some structure. I have made an edit to remove the use of '?!' 's and added the 'citation needed' tags to some of the claims I find need sourcing the most. Unfortunately, being an ignoramus, I don't know how to accomplish said sourcing and structure :) CjDMaX 00:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al-Muhajiroun is, but Hizb ut-Tahrir is not a terrorist organisation

  • The claim that HT is terrorist has not been referenced. The british government, MI5, the terrorist police, and academics, all have argued that Hizb ut-tahrir is not terrorist, that's why Muhajiroun were banned, but Tahrir was NOT!. See the Hizb ut-Tahrir entry for more details
  • Bakri did NOT establish HT in the UK, HT already existed in the UK, See the Hizb ut-Tahrir entry for more details on Mohammed M. Ramadan who was in the UK 15 years before Bakri.
  • The claim that Imran Waheed, Hizb ut-Tahrir's British representative attended any meeting of Islamic Council of Britain is not referenced or proven.Aaliyah Stevens 20:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imran Waheed attending Islamic Council of Britain meeting false

  • Firstly the reference (no. 4) on the aina.org page is pasted from FrontPageMagazine a neo-con right-wing opinion website, not credible evidence.
  • Secondly, even if the poster did say he was invited, he didn't attend, there is no evidence he attended. This is a common tactic by Muhajiroun to put names on their posters without permission to make themselves look big e.g. what they did to Makbool Javaid. Aaliyah Stevens 12:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Section on terrorist attacks needs to be referenced properly

  • Reference 4 does not provide any mention of a bombing against army barracks in India.
  • Reference 7 regarding the bombing in Tel Aviv, is not credible, Israeli newspaper says they were recruited by HAMAS see this:[1] Aaliyah Stevens 12:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
These references may all be inaccurate. When I found the page I only changed the sources to references, I did not verify the content. KazakhPol 18:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Large removal of text

I have reverted a very large chunk of text from this article, due to copyright violations. Here is the message I placed on the user's page:

[edit] Direct paste copyright violation of text into the article Al-Muhajirou

Dear user, the edits you made to the article Al-Muhajiroun have been reverted due to it being copyright violation. The text you edited into the article was cut and pasted directly from This page. You may not, under any circumstances, copy information from another site into Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:Copyright for details. Under the guidelines:

[edit] Concerning, but by no means conclusive signs:

  • The text is not wikified or is over-wikified, with every occurrence of a word or phrase made into a wiki link (as if search-and-replace had been used to insert the links)
  • The text was added all at once by one person in finished form with no spelling or other errors.
  • The writing style is "too good to be true"
  • The text has a strange tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words
  • They may contain non-standard characters such as Microsoft "smart quotes" (Note that these may have been created in Microsoft Word or another word processing software offline)

(Said text was all of those)

[edit] Strong signs of copy and pasting:

  • Out of context phrases like "this site/page/book/whitepaper"
  • They may also have isolated or out-of-context words or phrases such as "top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", that were originally part of the navigation structure of the original website
  • Use of trademark signs (™,®) and similar typical signs of commercial text
  • The writing style one that rarely occurs outside of a specific, invariably copyrighted, use. EG. An advertisement or press release
  • The questionable contribution is from a user who has a history of violating copyright

[edit] Irrefutable evidence

  • Pages which exhibit the above characteristics, and include the original site's copyright notice, copied intact!

Which is what the edit was. If you'd like to incorporate parts of that document, re-word it, check it for spelling and grammatical errors, cite the sources, add references, and then format it into Wikipedia format, please feel free and welcome to do so! :) However, please do not simply paste mass text from other sources.

This is for reference for anyone, who would either like to undergo incorporating that information into this article using Wikipedia guidelines, or for any edit issues that happen to take place. :) Ariel♥Gold 17:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)