Talk:Al-Baqara

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Contents 1 2:191 2 Still a stub? 3 Sura name 4 what's in front of them 5 split

[edit] 2:191

this verse is often quoted in anti-islamic rants as proof that islam is inherently violent. could somebody discuss the verse in context here (even if just 2:190 is included, it starts to sound much less belligerent)?

002.190
  YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not
  transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
002.191
  YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from
  where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse
  than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they
  (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the
  reward of those who suppress faith.

dab 14:14, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As so often, Tafsir Ibn Kathir is illuminating: its original audience saw the point of the verse as being to ban attacks against those who hadn't attacked you, the fact that you would fight those who had attacked you being considered self-evident. - Mustafaa 13:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

sure, but selective quoting usually gives only "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out", which sounds of course much less reassuring :o) nice addition, though. And you are right, possibly 9:5 is even more often quoted in this context. dab 13:57, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Still a stub?

It looks pretty full to me. If no-one objects for a couple of days, I'll remove the stub tag PaulHammond 02:27, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

What proof is there that anything was revealed? Until proof is furnished, I'm adding the qualifier "allegedly" to every groundless claim of revelation for objectivity's sake. - JCuesicus (talk) 01:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sura name

Although the sura does tell the story of the Golden Calf, it is not named after it. It is named after the story of another cow that the Israelites were told to sacrifice in order to know the murderer by the recussitated victim (see ayas 67 to 73)translation.

I think the proper translation of the name should be the Heifer in connection with the Jewish sacrificial practice. Plus, there seems to be precedent (see verse 67 here)for such a translation. -- hakeem ^rant! 03:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what's in front of them

In the the original Arabic the verse reads:" what is between their hands" scholars have agreed that it means their present, mainly Mohamed Metwaly El Sharawy. --The Brain 03:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] split

I want consencus for spliting out Al-Baqara, 256 since it is such a prominently quoted verse. also, i want to creat an article based on ^{[Qur'an 2:62]}, ^{[Qur'an 5:69]} and ^{[Qur'an 22:17]}. Comments? --Striver 15:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

What more would there be to say about it? -- tariqabjotu 18:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have anything this very second, but im sure you will agree there is ample potential material, it just takes some research. --Striver 19:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

If you have somethinmg to add, add it it to this section. Once this gets too long, you can than split off an article. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 07:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)