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[edit] Origin of ajvar
Most likely it originated in Serbia, since a lot of food from Serbia was influneced by Hungarian cuisine whitch then spread to north Serbia and lower. Serbia and Montenegro also have it's own recepes whitch use a lot of spices and ingredients found in ajvar such as paprikash and Punyene Paprika (spelling please, not a native Serbian speaker) As far as I know Serbia as well as Bulgaria and elements of their culture influenced Macedonia a lot during the time of SFRY, so it's plausable that Macedonia borrowed some of it's national cuisine into its own. For example, "sirene" is Bulgarian cheese but now you can also find it in Macedonia. --From Marusha.
- It's "punjene paprike" ;-) Everything you wrote is nice, but wikipedia has one important rule: no original research. That means, if you have sources that support your claim, fine, cite your sources and add that info to the article. But, if you have a new theory, wikipedia is not the place to put it... --Dijxtra 08:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Ajvar is not Serbian alone and oirigin is unknown 100%. It could be Macedonian or Croatian too...............; Lets call it Former Yugoslav or Balkan................
- No, it's the wrong way. The word is of turkish origin, so it cannot be genuin Croatian. Cevapcici for instance, a femous Balkanmeal were imported in Croatia in 1960s by Serbian tourists on the seaside. If thay had spread from Bosnia, the name in Croatia would be cevapi, as it is in Bosnia. The word c(v)apcici was till the 90s the only one existing in Serbia, and it's a quasideminutiv as it is often made in Leskovac-are in Serbia were best cevapcici come from. It's the same with Karadjordjeva snicla (after a Serbian ruler), sopska salata (it's a county in east Serbia)- all of these dishes were not existing in Croatia befor 1950s-1970s. Croatian cousin is mediterranian and austrian. One is for sure, there was no such a dish as ajvar in Croatia when it was allready made in every house in Serbia.
The fect that the word Paprika is of Serbian origin (which is accepted etimological fact) is a strong linguistic clue that ajvar comes from Serbia- see also Etimoloski recnik srpskog jezika, 1, 2003. --Luzzifer 00:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- And it's relevant to Ajvar because...? Second, the situation is not as simple as you present it OED says that Hungarian was the mediator language from Slavic papar, but pepper itself is of Middle Indic origins, so the Serbo-Croatian origin of "paprika" is really stretched. And your English leaves a lot to be desired. The "strong linguistic clue that ajvar comes from Serbia" is your original research. Reverting. Duja► 15:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Paprika isn't a Serbian word ...the word Paprika can be in most languages not just Serbo-Croatian. As for Ajvar you would think it would be Hungarian or even Turkish in origin...most hot Yugoslav food has some link to eg. Hungary.....eg Goolash would be Hungarian yet versions of it can be found in Yugoslavia.
My view is Serbia and Croatia have very few dishes of note if any...most are adaptions from other places across the world...in all honesty. We can't cook...but we can eat. Evergreen Montenegro1 05:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sure it is. Paprika is of Sebian/Croatian origin. That is a common fact.
- Ajvar isn't eaten at all in Hungary. There is some 'paprikakrem' which is used to make paprikas, but it is not made like ajvar - not cooked in oil. And it is not eaten as a side-dish like ajvar. Ramencity - 9 May 2007
- With all respect due to everyone, Ajvar is just [baba ghanoush]. Seeing how eggplant wasn't known in the west until 1500 CE, despite whose grandma first baba-ghanoush-ed "Ajvar", and with Podravka now trying to usurp Ajvar as a trademark, I think we can all agree its all of ours.
I♥Ajvar!Pinđur Sun Aug 19 08:54:28 2007 GMT —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.191.39.86 (talk) 08:54:54, August 19, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ajvar made of bell peppers
Since when ajvar is made of bell peppers? I am Macedonian and I have never heard of such an ajvar. Maybe there are some remote chances for such thing existing somewhere (most likely an idividual idea rather than any uniform custom), but it is certainly extremely uncommon to the point of not even being worthy of mention in this article, let alone stating at the beginning that bell peppers are its primary ingredient ! --B. Jankuloski 08:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ajvar made of bell peppers??
Since when ajvar is made of bell peppers? I am Macedonian and I have never heard of such an ajvar. Maybe there are some remote chances for such thing existing somewhere (most likely an idividual idea rather than any uniform custom), but it is certainly extremely uncommon to the point of not even being worthy of mention in this article, let alone stating at the beginning that bell peppers are its primary ingredient ! --B. Jankuloski 08:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- I now understand that what in the Balkans is reffered to as "Paprika" is actually one of the several shapes that the vegetable called "bell pepper" in English can assume. Indeed a weird way of classifying things. --B. Jankuloski 09:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
