Talk:Agnieszka Radwańska

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[edit] WP:BIO by Auroranorth 12:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you. Tennis expert (talk) 19:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The name of this article should be changed to "Agnieszka Radwanska" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, the Women's Tennis Association and the International Tennis Federation. That also is the name used on the English-language websites of Fed Cup and the French Open (Roland Garros). Tennis expert (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Wikipedia aspires to higher fidelity and exactness than a sports data base oriented for public consumption and quite possibly, oblivious to the need to be exact, but rather, expedient. Equally well, you might motivate streamlining the content of Wikipedia to include as notable only items mentioned on American sport television, such as ESPN. The funny little symbols under your editing window have been provided for a reason -- please use them. No need to type on the keyboard -- just press and the correct glyph will appear in the article at your cursor. WP guidelines do not advocate impoverishing scholarly rendition of non-English proper knowns, and misguided efforts in that direction will be opposed on their lack of merit. I think it an intellectually discrediting activity, this spawning by boilerplate, quasi-robotically an assault on people's actual names, only by discriminating against them on the basis of having attained notability while playing tennis (surely counter to Jimbo's extensive protection of the integrity of biographies of living persons), which gives the impression, that you will take what you can get, instead of striving to persuade on principle the entire Wikipedia community. Detestable practice, that. --Mareklug ^talk 17:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to understand your arguments; so, please correct my summary of them as you see necessary. (1) American sports television like ESPN should not dictate whether diacritics are used in English Wikipedia. (2) The funny little symbols are available below the English Wikipedia editing screens and that fact alone supports using diacritics to name tennis biographies in English Wikipedia. (3) Not using diacritics to name tennis biographies in English Wikipedia would constitute the impoverishment of scholarly activities and would be intellectually discrediting. (4) Not using diacritics is a quasi-robotic assault on people's actual names and is discriminatory against them because of their success as tennis players. Does that about cover it? I noticed you have not provided even one citation to support your arguments; so, everything is purely your opinion. See WP:UGH and appeal to ridicule, among other things. Tennis expert (talk) 21:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You also argue like a robot. Are you not man? Are you Devo? I addressed the "this is just your opinion"/"where are your sources" meta-discourse under Agnieszka's sister's tallk page, or was it talk:Daniela Hantuchová? This "Tennis expert will assimilate you/we are Borg" easy-spellin' campaign blurs in my memory for all its repetiveness, or do I mean, replicancy, and that's with me participating in 3 instances (of countable hundreds, I wager). In any event, you are impervious to suggestion, or perhaps unable to carry this discourse over from one talk page to another. Programming limitation or divide and conquer? Do tell. --Mareklug ^talk

Now you're being incivil. Tennis expert (talk) 21:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

And is it civil of you to disregard my answer given elsewhere and pretend thereby that I have not addressed your concern? Is it civil to wage a distributed, replicated campaign in order to wear down the others, who disagree with you on one principle? Read my replies with understanding, and you will see a mirror. --Mareklug ^talk 21:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

See WP:AGF, this, and everything cited there. Tennis expert (talk) 22:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I am already aware of that tedius exchange, rather unenlightening. You should rather direct your fellows in crime to talk:Daniela Hantuchová#Requested move, where I just sourced, as we are so fond of saying, some telling BBC references and even framed a lovely quotation that just might tease y'all out of your misapprehension on how to write Czech/Slovak names properly in English. --Mareklug ^talk 22:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You cited there a mere blog about how tennis player names should be pronounced by BBC on-air commentators. A Google search of the BBC website did not reveal even one instance of "Hantuchová" being used except in the blog you cited. I got the same result when I searched that website for "Radwańska." Tennis expert (talk) 02:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)