Talk:Agni missile system

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Under a proposal to clean up inconsistent disambiguation of rocket article titles, this article, Agni missile system, may be moved to Agni missile or Agni (missile). At this stage, it is only a proposal at an early stage of discussion, but you are encouraged to contribute to the discussion, which is located here.

Folks,
Thanks for up-keeping this Agni missile family page. This page rocks.

As some may recall that I put a fair bulk of the initial content to Agni missiles by making available into public domain the then Agni missile content from www.Bharat-Rakshak.com (latest BR version at http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MISSILES/Agni.html)

I will later add more content with some more new information.

Thanks & Best Regards
Vishwakarma 04:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Pls note that prior formatting introduced an error. The Agni-II missile speed cant be 7-8km/sec because that will make it an ICBM.

Speed of a missile and its range is a strict physical relationship. Please see the paper I published in the latest Indian Defense Review, Indian Long Range Strategic Missiles- Agni-III (PDF). This article has range vs speed relationship in a graph.

The earlier quoted reference was mistunderstood. That article mentioned 7-8km/sec speed for the Reenetry vehicle.

Best regards

-Arun S

Oops I forgot to signoff previou spost with my signature Vishwakarma 21:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

BTW Rocket Ballistic simulation for Agni-II rocket configuration on this page clearly establish that the Agni-II missile delivers 5Km/sec equivalent velocity for a 1000Kg payload and for 6km/sec for a 500Kg payload.

Cheers

Vishwakarma 22:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Agni-II AT details are missing. Chanakyathegreat 05:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Agni II 2 Then percived threat by pakistan as Impetus for developement 3 Template:Globalize/India 4 Range

[edit] Agni II

The Agni II section reads like someone's personal essay. 195.197.240.134 (talk) 13:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Then percived threat by pakistan as Impetus for developement

I feel the blatant deletion of sub-section (Preface: Evolving Indian Security Environment) without discussion on this page is unwarranted and against WP:MOS will be eager to hear comments from Noorkhanuk85. cheers! OlkhichaAppa (talk) 09:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• I believe Noorkhanuk85 did not contribute for last 20 days - towards resolution of the dispute. Hence I am removing the neutrality tag.

Please re-add if otherwise. OlkhichaAppa (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Globalize/India

I think this tag is unwarranted since the article is essentially about Indian missile programme. So I fail to understand how can it represent the worldwide view? OlkhichaAppa (talk) 02:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

• No responses to my query above. Removing the template. OlkhichaAppa (talk) 02:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

This article claims that the maneuvering RV of Agni is not merely "advanced," but superior to Western or possibly Soviet RVs. Yet, Indian development of MRV apparently took place in the 80's or possibly early 90's, as per the article itself. The US developed MRVs in the early- to mid-60's, starting with ASSET testing the basic vehicle layout and construction. (See: Heppenheimer, NASA SP-4221, Chapter 1.) Next, The G. L. Martin Co.'s PRIME actually demonstrated extreme crossranges, in a trajectory identical to an actual ICBM launch. Pershing II actually deployed a "smart" warhead, with movable fins actuated autonomously by an onboard seeker head... in 1983. This is all in addition to civilian programs for maneuvering re-entry bodies (i.e. the Apollo capsule, Space Shuttle, CRV), and any Soviet work.

The West then abandoned MRVs. Highly-accurate rocket motors, combined with worldwide intelligence in the form of high-accuracy geodesy and frequently-updated atmospheric models, negated the need for terminal correction. Meanwhile, ballistic missile defenses were countered by the deployment of large, reliable ICBM forces. Combined with a reasonable number and sophistication in decoys, maneuvering RVs became costly, weighty, and unnecessary. For the highest precision, the West turned to cruise missiles, with CEPs of a few yards.

And yet, this article claims MRVs are an Indian invention, not an Indian attempt to catch up to the West. It is this article that is the invention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.8.238.186 (talk) 19:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. A lot of the content has been blatantly ripped off Bharat-Rakshak.com, a clearly non neutral source. I doubt the Indian government would claim to have invented reentry vehicles. Also the Indian government has never disclosed the exact details of the reentry vehicle except for admitting that a reentry vehicle has been developed. The rest is pure speculation and hyperbole. Information about the reentry vehicles does not exist in the public domain. The information that is not from official news sources in this article and the information without references must be removed.Andy anno (talk) 03:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I have changed the content of the agni RV Mk2 to reflect the fact that the agni RV is better than only the first generation RV's developed by the US and the soviets and that it is more a single maneuverable payload as opposed to the first generation Indian as well as western(note that the P5 developed the first generation of missiles soon after WWII) which were just passive payloads on top of rockets.Andy anno (talk) 05:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Range

Why is it that the range in the infobox and article of the missiles don't match? For example the infobox shows the range of Agni II as 3300-4800 km (ICBM class) while it is stated in the first part of the article as 2500 km (MRBM class)? Something's wrong here, and can somebody with knowledge on the subject please clarify? Thanks  S3000  ☎ 10:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The standard range of agni II with a 1 ton warhead is reported to be 2500km. Also Agni V will not be designed to be of the ICBM class unless a lower capacity warhead is used since the drdo is targeting a range of 5000km officially not 6000km as it was stated in the article earlier inspite of the references showing it at 5000km. Andy anno (talk) 02:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)