Talk:AgileGraph

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Confusion Over Proposed Deletion for Propaniac


I'm confused about the proposed deletion of this page and hope you can help me. I've read about Notability and realize that I have no third party references to substantiate AgileGraph, but I've seen plenty of other software pages that offer no more than this page. This is the second time I've tried creating this page with the same result. The first was admittedly a poor attempt so I picked an example from someone that we know has an established page and tried to follow that (numberGo). Can you help me understand why that site and others exist with no seeming Notability? I would very much appreciate your help so that I can make this page acceptable. Thank you. Agilegraph 05:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, the numberGo page doesn't seem to meet the notability qualifications for a Wikipedia article either. There ARE a lot of articles that don't meet the qualifications, simply because there are more people who enjoy creating articles for their own hobbies or interests or companies, than there are people who know that Wikipedia does have qualifications and who are willing to propose or nominate articles for deletion. And when someone creates an article about something that isn't very well-known, it's less likely that others will discover the article in the first place in order to evaluate its notability, so it can stick around for quite awhile. I stumbled upon the AgileGraph page on the list of orphaned articles, which is an automated list of articles that aren't linked from any other page on Wikipedia (but AgileGraph is now linked from both of our talk pages, so it no longer appears on the list).
As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is supposed to be a record of what's happened; it's not supposed to make things happen in itself. The (many, many, many) cases of people who create Wikipedia articles with the idea that the article itself will help publicize the subject and MAKE it notable are fundamentally in conflict with that idea--and honestly, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work, because people don't look up things on Wikipedia that they aren't already aware of, and the vast majority of these articles, like yours, aren't linked from many other articles, so nobody's likely to find them except by looking them up.
Until AgileGraph receives multiple instances of third-party coverage, there's probably no way you can adapt the article to meet the Wikipedia qualifications for notability. All that being said, though, I personally won't propose or nominate it for deletion again, because although "Other pages like this one exist" isn't generally considered a valid defense, it's true in this case. The only reason I prodded yours is that it's at the top of the alphabet, so I don't mind leaving it alone (and I probably wouldn't even have revisited the article if you'd just removed the prod without asking me for more explanation, because there are much worse articles out there). Propaniac 17:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)