Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/User Yidisheryid

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I am afraid that the user is exhibiting symptoms of recidivistic behavior, especially as relates multiple personal attacks against multiple editors, incivility, misunderstandings and misrepresentations of wikipedia policies such as reliability, verifiability, hoaxes, and Wikipedia:Non-free content, among others.

The user has a history of sockpuppetry, and was blocked for such, and only unblocked after issuing an apology.

The user was brought to ANI earlier, see here for these issues, and especially for his habit of redacting other people's edits. The user was blocked for disruption and incivility, admitted such, and once again, promised to reform.

Unfortunately, there has been no indication of any reform; au contraire, there is only further evidence of incivility and personal attacks [1] [2] [3] note edit summary [4] [5] [6] [7], improper accusations of admin-tool abuse [8] [9] [10], continued ignorance of wikipedia policy even after being informed [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16], and subtle and overt changes to others' comments [17] [18]. More examples exist.

Since I am this person's main target for abuse, it is possible that I am too close to the issue, so I am asking my fellow editors and sysops here to comment on this user, his track record, his recidivism, and whether or not some time to review wiki's policies and rules would be helpful, or perhaps other remedies, such as a topic ban or long-term block would be appropriate to prevent further disruption to articles relating to Judaism, Zionism, Israel, and attacks against other editors. Thank you. -- Avi 21:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed that every time there is heat against him at one project he moves on to another project as can be seen here evidence for incivility, misunderstandings and misrepresentations of wikipedia policies such as reliability, verifiability. It's been ongoing for more than a year now, every time he is quiet on yi I see him active either on en or he.--Shmaltz 23:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
for the record i am active daily in all 3 wikipedia languages; he; en; and mainly Yi.--יודל 14:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  • "au contraire"? Is this the Spanish Wikipedia, or something? LessHeard vanU 23:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
    • No, but the term is pretty selbstverständlich . -- Avi 23:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
    • it's not Spanish, it's French for "to the contrary" ;) -- lucasbfr talk 14:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] YY's Reply

Who am i: First of all i can say to u i am a man of many wrongs and the community may decide that they don't want to put up anymore with me if they deem me a drag on the wiki, to tell u the truth i was blocked many times in Hebrew wikipedia and many more in the Yiddish wikipedia, and now i am back full force corrected and straightened, after all so much dedication, well over 40.000 edits daily i have declared the wikipedia my addiction and home, mostly in my native language Yiddish where i was already 2 times sysop, i am faulty and nobody has to live with me, but until i am not thrown out of here i believe in this medium especially for my community the Williamsburg Brooklyn Hasidim which needs desperately a form of transparency of knowledge and information to cope with our repressive lifestyle, i have not spoken the Hebrew language nor the English until a very recent time in my life, i believe that we must interlink all those 3 languages and many more on all topics.

Quote: my native language Yiddish where i was already 2 times sysop this is misleading, and if one looks into what really happened there one might wonder if this is not further proof against YY. He was voted out as an admin, to which the other admin that had bureaucrat permissions desysoped him. Since the bureaucrat doesn't know much English he went on IRC and ask for an emergency, they listened to just one side of the story (there was no one to tell otherwise) and gave him back sysop. In fact a week later when he came with a new name (sockpuppet) and I blocked him, he ran to IRC again, but this time I waited for him, the Stewards then gave me right for doing what I did. A lot of what happened because of that can be seen here.--Shmaltz (talk) 00:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uncivility and Personal Attacks

i will try to answer all the links avi brings one by one and to explain it, and let u judge it as u see fit. he claims that i am uncivil and use personal attacks, i beg everybody to look at his links not the last edit link but my answers to him as well, (i will have time i will link them as well) about my detractors i have nothing to say, but please keep in mind that this is an ongoing constant attempt by Avi to get me blocked and last time i tried to show his pattern about me i was blocked for it, so i am silent. Yes i have ticked off the few users mainly Avi and Shmaltz and yossia and Izak. but i beg to consider my contributions just as worthy as theirs, shmaltz and yosia arent active and avi and izak i consider as better users than i but before u want to block me on their word i would like to correct myself so be very clear what i have done wrong and i will change by further noticing my blemishes thanks for everybody who feels important here to comment and on my behavior, i will take them deeply into my heart and construct it into positive motherly criticism and nurturing of my humanism.

[edit] Sockpupetry

i was never ever a sock puppet, and once i was guilty of vote socking which i did not know at the time to be illegal.

The above are 2 seperate lies, one he has engaged in sockppupetry before, for which I will not bring evidence at the moment. 2 He did know that it is illegal look at this edit here he wrote it back in Oct 2006, as well as here written again in Oct 2006, if translation is needed please ask and I'll translate.--Shmaltz (talk) 23:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disruptive

yes i was found to being disruptive at one moment back a few months by an admin who blocked me for 24 hours, i had at the time apologized and moved on. please take a look at the whole incident and see what i did wrong was heavily debated and even though i did nothing wrong in of each incident because i was found by others of dismissing their opinion i felt a need to apologize so what it was boiling down to it is lack of respect to other users, which i was promising not to do again and i hope i did breach my promise.

You have promised this more than I can remember to count in the last year plus. You have run out of chances.--Shmaltz (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ignoring Policy

also about my ignoring policy he brings his accusations that i ignore them, never did i take policy here easily i read them over and over, and i even translated all of them to the Yiddish wikipedia, i will answer everybody and retract my words all the time if somebody shoes me that i am wrong, i have even been accused of being a flip-flopper because i changed my opinion after rereading policy.

This is again a lie, for anybody that knows yiddish and those who have been active on yi.wp know that he would translate them and change the policy as he saw fit for the moment during his translation, and if someone tried correcting him he just did what he wanted, one example is here, he just erased all the parts that shows that he had violated them.--Shmaltz (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changing others text

also about his links that i make neutral headlines on my talk page, it was already discussed in a previous ANI nomination by Avi, and it was answered that i may put my headline above his if its my talk page, as long as i don't temper with his words--יודל 13:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

--יודל 12:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Avi's Acusation of YY changing others text

  • I won't comment on the rest (i looked at a few and agree with you on some points), but your "subtle and overt changes to others comments" examples are both changes in a heading level (not even the text), and addition of a comment (with its own heading) above it - in one, he even explicitly states what he has done to avoid even the appearance that it is intended to mislead people about what someone else has written. It seems like you can build a case against him without resorting to such accusations, so why'd you throw that in there? A heading is not part of a comment, and thus is not owned by the person who wrote the comment. People change talk page section headers all the time with no objection, and he didn't even change the actual text in either of your examples. —Random832 13:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Please be clear on what other points there is a case against me so i can correct it. thanks--יודל 13:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
My own interactions with YY have always been civil, though we frequently disagree on specific issues. I think the general tone sometimes not ideal, but not outside the run of things here. DGG (talk) 20:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the tone taken with myself and others has been rather the contrary, as the links above demonstrate, I beleive. However, thank you for your input. -- -- Avi (talk) 21:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
From my own interactions, I think YY's arguments at AfDs and discussions are not always based entirely on policy, and he can be a bit heated in exchanges at times, and not always ideal in tone, but nonetheless I don't think he's fundamentally here to disrupt the project. Best, --Shirahadasha (talk) 06:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
While I can't disagree and I could agree that fundamentally he is not here to disrupt the project, his actions show otherwise. There has been lots of chatter with him on IRC, I believe some stewards might have some input here about his civility.--Shmaltz (talk) 00:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General advice

The above conversation looks like a request for comment discussion, and perhaps this should be pursued at Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Request comment on users. If User:Yidisheryid was banned and is now doing the very same things which got him banned, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement. Yidisheryid, please read our policies and guidelines. Until you've acquired a good grasp of how Wikipedians are expected to behave, your actions will be inherently misdirected and will only cause more friction. Please SLOW DOWN while you learn the rules of the road, and proceed with caution. The Transhumanist    20:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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