Talk:Adelphikos

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[edit] "The First"

There cannot be two "firsts." I believe I have given ample evidence that, since Pan Sophic was founded as a fraternity, and two years before Adelphikos, Pan Sophic deserves that title. Unless you are willing to prove that Adelphikos, and not Pan Sophic, is the true originator of G.C.C.'s Greek system (which of course would be an affront on the men who ran Pan Sophic underground for two years), I request that you refrain from making such reputable claims. There is nothing wrong with being founded in 1913, and if you want, we do not have to make such a big deal out of who came first. Personally, I would prefer the title "best" over "first." Yet it is a disservice to the online community to put forth blatantly contradictory and misleading information, won't you agree?

You're very right. There cannot be two firsts. As a social organization, the Pan Sophic Club was founded before the Adelphikos fraternity. However, the Adelphiko were founded as a fraternity before the Pan Sophic was made into one. That's what all the yearbooks say.

As to making such "reputable claims", I would point to the fact that there is no publicly available "reputable" evidence that the Pans were founded as a fraternity before th Adelphikos. Instead of trying to say that the Pans were the first fraternity, maybe you should focus on their unique history both as a social organization and a bachelor's club. I will edit the article to reflect this information. --Alphachimp 17:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Methinks you should check your yearbooks again.

Please sign your comments. Thank you. --Alphachimp 17:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Technically, the Adels were the first "fraternity" at GCC. The demise of the Adels and their spiral into a group of block-classers was the inevitable result of a virtual witch hunt by an overzealous school official. How long can a fraternity survive underground without its charter? After a certain number of years, it becomes impossible. Whilst it appears that things have loosened up a little biy as of late, the fall of Adels is the tragic result of an overly burdensome punishment that lasted for years and brought down the fraternity. --Colonist

[edit] Cleanup

I think this article needs a little bit of work. The introductory paragraph is fairly sparse and somewhat redundant. Listing the founding members seems like a good idea, but Wikipedia generally frowns on listing current members of relatively unknown organizations. (Because it borders on WP's ban on vanity articles.) I don't know enough about the Adels to feel comfortable editing the article myself, but those are just some of my thoughts on what could be done. Maybe you could add some content concerning the Adels' current goals and activities. --Nothlit 02:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree on the current officers. I'm not sure who added them, but they will be removed. I'm not entirely sure that I want to go beyond that in listing information about the Adelphikos. I sort of prefer less information to be available as opposed to more. --Alphachimp 17:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)