Talk:Achter Col, New Netherland

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[edit] Naming

There are a number of Middle Dutch words may have influenced the naming of Achter Col and the Kill van Kull. According to the Online Nederlands Woordenboek (Online Dutch Dictionary):

  • "Achter" in modern Dutch means behind, as it did in the 17th century.
  • A "col" (alternnatively spelled with the letter "k") has a variety of meanings inlcluding a low lying area between two mountains, a mountain pass, or a piece of clothing that covers the throat/neck.
  • A "nek" is a neck, or specifically the back of the throat, a mountain pass, or a connecting point (in this case two rivers)
  • A "nes" is a peninsula, particulary one that acts as tidal land or flood plain (which here would be an appropriate for the meadowlands)
  • A "kil" is stream or a channel

As was common, there were a vareity of spellings for the same word (as there was no standard Dutch at the time). Anglophones likely influenced spelling to suit their needs as well. In the deed for the Elizabethtown Tract, the Newark is called "Cull Bay". 86.80.116.183 (talk) 12:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Djflem (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] European settlement

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Achter Col was the hunting and fishing ground of the Hackensack Indians whose sagamore (or chief), Oratam, engaged peacefully and shrewdly with representatives of the Dutch West India Company. Both parties were helped considerably by Sarah Kiersted, who had mastered the Algonquian language and acted as translator and scribe. For her help Oratam, in 1638, gave her a land grant of large acreage, which she declined to settle. In 1642, Myndert Myndertsen "purchased" the land. An absentee landlord, Myndertsen hired a superintendent to construct a farmhouse (a combined dewlling and barn), completed the same year. Originally spared in the reprisals for the attacks at Pavonia and Corlears Hook in 1643, the residents were ordered back to the relative safetly of Fort Amsterdam and replaced by a regiment of soldiers with cannons. Seen as a act of war by the Hackensack it was later plundered and destroyed. The Achter Col colony was not replaced —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.116.183 (talk) 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Djflem (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lenape

David de Vries, who stayed in the area from 1634 to 1644, described a Lenape hunt in the valley of the Achinigeu-hach (or "Ackingsah-sack," the Hackensack River), in which one hundred or more men stood in a line many paces from each other, beating thigh bones on their palms to drive animals to the river, where they could be killed easily. Other methods of hunting included lassoing and drowning deer, as well as forming a circle around prey and setting the brush on fire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.116.183 (talk) 09:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC) 86.80.116.183 (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image/dates

The 3D image, imported from Hackensack, New Jersey article includes text which sites date as 1660. Would this representation not be of village at Bergen Square?Djflem (talk) 11:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)