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[edit] Descendants

Someone should mention this movie [Adventures of Young Van Helsing: Quest for the Lost Scepter]under media appearances of Van Helsing descendants. It's cheesy and was made as a quick straight-to-DVD cash-in to coincide with the release of the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing movie, but it did have a widespread DVD release, which I think should justify its inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.212.252 (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


Ah. I just updated that section, but missed this. Also, I have already found more examples. I'm not sure about all the sources, though. Right now, the following seem to lack:

[edit] Sword of Dracula

With Veronica "Ronnie" Van Helsing.

[edit] Helsing

Not to be confused with Hellsing. This comic by Caliber Comics is about a Samantha Helsing and a John Van Helsing.

[edit] Immortal Hunters

A short story by Suz deMello, featuring a John Van Helsing with a son kidnapped by vampires.

[edit] Adventures of Young Van Helsing: The Quest for the Lost Scepter

With Michael Harris or Michael Van Helsing, descendant of Abrahamn Van Helsing.

[edit] Faith - The Van Helsing Chronicles

The main character seem to be Faith van Helsing, daughter to Adam and Melissa van Helsing. Michael, John and Samuel van Helsing are also mentioned.

I read about this on these German pages:

But I'm not very good at German, so I would enjoy if someone gave any enlightment on this topic.

[edit] The Van Helsing Chronicles ~PART V~

The title is simular to the one above, but I'm not sure they have much to do with each other. However this seem to include characters called Edward and Jon Van Helsing.

[edit] Dracula AD 1972

This is a part of the Hammer Draculas, but includes a character called Lawrence Van Helsing. How he fits into any version of the story is beyond my understanding (but I haven't seen these movies). He seems to Lorimer's (How is this name spelled, by the way?) ancestor who dealt with Dracula a long time ago. However there already seems to be a character like that in J. Van Helsing.

[edit] Van Helsing

According to the article on Gabriel Van Helsing, Gabriel has a son called Lionel, and is related to John Van Helsing and Rupert Van Helsing. However I haven't found any other sources for this.

[edit] Digital Knight

This doesn't really fit here, but can be interesting anyway. It seems to be about a guy called Jason Wood who gets to deal with vampires. At one point he presents himself as John Van Helsing. As far as I can see, he is not related to any Van Helsing, but the name is just something he makes up.
--Oa 23:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "God im Himmel" is German?

Well OK, "God im Himmel" isn't proper Dutch. But it's not proper German either! The German word for "God" is "Gott". —Gabbe 19:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Its actually "Gott in Himmel!" in the original found on http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext95/dracu13.txt Sitethief 12:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] van Helsing

Maybe a good idea to write the name of van Helsing correct. The "van" in his name is like the "of" in Robin of Locksley, its not written in capital. Yes I know that Bram Stoker himself wrote the name this way, but thats not a reason to write it wrong like he did. So if it would be a real Dutch surname then it would be written "van Helsing" and not "Van Helsing" . Oh and SAMPA wise it would be "vAn" instead of "ven". Sitethief 12:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree -- as a fictional character, it's Stoker's usage sets the standard by which criticism should adhere.
It's a sticky issue besides: although "Van Helsing" may litterally translate into "of Helsing," that does not mean that it is being used in the archaic sense. While Leonardo da Vinci's name is clearly "Leonardo" and not "da Vinci," this naming convention has developed into last names as well: Ludwig van Beethoven is not "Ludwig" of "Beethoven," his last name is "Beethoven," same as his father's. "Van Helsing" is clearly closer to the later example than the former, except that Stoker included the "Van" as part of the last name, instead of as a conjunction.
So -- the question at hand is really wheather this is a common convention in modern names, or a mistake on Stoker's part. I know nothing about how to speak Dutch, so it is impossible for me to say wheather the Duch langauge has adopted the "van" into last names. Something in the back of my head is saying that in English, however, people of Germanic origins have often done so.
At the end of the day, however, this point is moot. Stoker clearly intended "Van Helsing" to function, in its entirty, as a last name. The character is always called "Van Helsing," never just "Helsing," and always with a capital "V." ~CS 18:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
In Dutch, surnames work in a very simple way. If you speak of the entire name (including first name) the "van" or "de" shouldn't be with a capital (so: Abraham van Helsing, Jan de Wit, Johanna van den Akker). Without the first name, it should be with a capital (so: Dr. Van Helsing, Mr. De Wit, Van den Akker). Clear? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.71.101.161 (talk) 19:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] removed lines

Tried to revise the following lines, but the points themselves border on irrelevance:

It is interesting to note Van Helsing's speech in the novel. He generally speaks English approximatively, redundantly, filling it with biblical allusions - while Dracula is also a foreigner but speaks English without accent. But when he is in agitation, he suddenly begins to speak correctly.

When Van Helsing is upset, he begins speaking German: "Gott im Himmel!" It is possible that Bram Stoker thought it was Dutch, but the correct Dutch would be "God in de hemel!"

Futhermore, I would bet Stoker knew what was Dutch and what was German. People often adopt single phrases from other languages, especially since the Dutch tradition is multilingual and the character is a doctor. Regardless, it's unsourced and speculative at best. - IstvanWolf 23:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, the information there is actually pretty incorrect considering that Dracula does speak with an accent, he simply speaks with close to perfect grammar, as well as the fact that Van Helsing's speech is pretty much the same throughout the story. And as to Van Helsing speaking German at times, I'm sure Stoker knows the difference between Dutch and German, and in addition Van Helsing speaks other languages, such as Latin, at times as well.
Still, that being said, I still think it would be a good idea to include a note or two about Van helsing's manner of speaking, considering that it's a pretty significant part of his character. He;s the only character other than Dracula who's not English, and he has a very distinct style of speaking. In addition to his grammatial quirks (such as referring to inanimate objects as "he", and calling Dr. Seward "Friend John"), he very often makes reference and allusion to many different authors and works of literature in his speech, and such. Whle this isn't terribly important, it's still a pretty interesting, significant and unique trait the character has, and I think it could use a mention in the article, if only a line or two. Calgary (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] page title

User:Rei-Ginsei moved the article to Van Helsing(Novel Character), saying (in the edit history) "Abraham is subject to frequent change in the movies. Half of which dont even reveal first name."

I have moved it back, because this article is about the character in the novel (a point User:Rei-Ginsei admits in his/her choice of alternative title), and so what happens in the movies is irrelevant: this article is about the character in the novel, whose name is Abraham Van Helsing. --Paul A 02:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I notice that User:Rei-Ginsei has moved this page again. I find this rather absurd. This article is clearly about the original character "Abraham Van Helsing," from the novel. The article rightfully mentions variant names in various adaptations at the bottom of the article, but I do not believe that this is a reason for an article move. Furthermore, if the adaptations' name changes are the problem with calling this page "Abraham Van Helsing", why on Earth would "Van Helsing (Novel character)" be an improvement? If anything, it indicates that this page operates at the exclusion of film adaptations, where the original title did not. ~CS 04:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Well shouldn't the article be about the overall character and not just the original. The way the Dracula, and Frankenstein pages, should be more about the overall pop-culture phenomana of the franchises, than the original works? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rei-Ginsei (talk • contribs).

I can't even begin to understand what you mean. Both the Dracula and the Frankenstein articles are about the novels by that name. Later adaptations are mentioned at the bottom of the articles, and links are given to other pages regarding modern works that 'borrow' the characters. This article has a long way to go before it's of the same quality as the Dracula and Frankenstein articles, but like them it should give weight first and foremost to the literary character. All other uses are incidental, or belong in separate articles.
PS -- please sign your talk page posts by putting ~~~~ at the end of each edit. This makes it easier for everyone to keep track of who says what on a talk page. Thanks! ~CS 06:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Rei-Ginsei: please stop making unilateral and unexplained moves, reversions and deletions of material on this page without discussing it here first. The current name meets Wikipedia's naming conventions, and you're deleting the legitmate cleanup of other editors without cause. ~CS 21:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Your agrgument is like saying that Count Dracula should have Vlad in the title.

I have no idea what you mean to say here -- but I'd like to apologize for the edit summery in my last edit. I became confused with all the moves and edits, and you did not in fact blank the material that I thought you had. Sorry about that. ~CS 03:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Van Helsing's wife

"Van Helsing's wife went insane after their son's death, but as a devout Catholic, he refuses to divorce her." Where exactly in the novel does it mention this? I could only find this reference to Van Helsing's wife from Chapter XIII, Dr Seward's Diary in which Van Helsing says "...my poor wife dead to me...". I took this statement to mean that his wife was dead. Please correct me if I am wrong. Count de Ville 02:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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