Talk:Abraham Foxman

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Contents 1 Lastest Edit and Removal Of Orthodox Jews, Gays, Gaza Strip, Foxman Relations 2 Older Discussion 3 Foxman's comments 4 NYT Magazine article on Abe Foxman 5 Removing JPFO "controversy" 6 Armenian Genocide controversy 7 Marc Rich

[edit] Lastest Edit and Removal Of Orthodox Jews, Gays, Gaza Strip, Foxman Relations

I have two suggestions. Number one, if you add anything to any article please make sure to back it up with as many references as possible. Number two, if someone is too lazy to add the references don't go around and assume that the new content should just be deleted. With Google only a second away you can find all sorts of sources for filling in the blanks and making an article more complete. Do not let the laziness of the original editor force upon us a spirit of trimming down entries on Wikipedia. Instead, I suggest you add a comment to the user page of any member that forgets to cite his sources to request that such action be taken in the future. Thank you for listening.--Saintlink 09:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

This is a biography of a living person, so in the event of a lack of a source for a statement, the proper action IS to delete the info. I agree a search should then be made and the info reintroduced if there is a source. Basejumper2 08:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Older Discussion

Regarding the photo that User:Molloy is attempting to add: regardless of copyright status, there's no particular reason to tolerate any contributions to Jewish topics by Nazis. I'm usually loathe to use the N-z- word when describing other people, but this should suffice to demonstrate that the nomenclature is accurate. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 6 July 2005 05:06 (UTC)

It's a picture of Foxman: he's not snarling, picking his nose, or eating Christian babies -- though that "Vulcan Death Grip" pose is a bit odd -- so what does it matter what the source is? --Calton | Talk 6 July 2005 06:28 (UTC)

Well, the photo seemed when I first saw it to be unfortunate; discovering its origin tends to suggest that it's not unfortunate at all, but deliberately offensive.

When I write the last sentence, I was talking about the Web site from which Molloy got the photo; having followed the site linked to by jpgordon, my comment is multiplied a hundredfold. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 6 July 2005 10:01 (UTC)

Any evidence that the person described in the link provided by jpgordon is User:Molloy? After all, whats in a name? Regardless, a photo of Mr. Foxman would help the article. I uploaded a photo from the ADL website on the grounds that it likely qualifies for fair use. If I failed to follow the guidelines, please chastise me and delete it. Image:Abe.foxman.and.oatriarch.bartholomew.jpg --Uncle Bungle 02:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Good picture. Jayjg ^(talk) 16:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

During the 1993 Canadian Federal Election the Conservatives ran a television ad mocking Jean Chretiens facial deformity. The result was a severe public backlash which made legitimate criticism of Liberal policies difficult. Chretien won that election and ruled with a majority government for ten years. The lesson is clear: if you want to villify a man use his actions and words. Children mock a persons appearance. --Uncle Bungle 02:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

not many words were written about the parents in the holocoust

[edit] Foxman's comments

I suspect that no one would have a problem with creating a section or listing under "Criticisms" the many odd statements that Mr. Foxman has made over the years? There are plenty and I would undertake this take as long as my work is not going to be wiped out with a revert. Any thoughts? Jtpaladin 15:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The section would be extremely long and easy to give sources. It would infuriate all aboard wiki. It would be erased. Forget it.

[edit] NYT Magazine article on Abe Foxman

Could be integrated into the article as it covers the subject at hand:

• Does Abe Foxman Have an Anti-Anti-Semite Problem?, New York Times, January 14 2006.

Also talks about Tony Judt and Israel lobby in the United States. --70.48.240.99 18:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing JPFO "controversy"

The differences of opinion between ADL and JPFO seem ill-suited for the controversies section. The quotations provided point to a perpetual disagreement between the two associations rather than any particular controversial episode. To include JPFO would suggest that any group which conflicts with the ADL (and by extension, its director) should likewise be included. Furthermore, this conflict is sufficiently covered in the main JPFO article. Finally, the generous use of JPFO PoV quotations, such as "ADL Support Nazi-Based Laws" and "JPFO Facts vs. ADL Lies," fails to contribute to this sensitive article becoming more NPOV. Therefore, I'm opting to remove it. - CheshireKatz 17:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Genocide controversy

The references link point to Foxman's disagreement with a congressional resolution, NOT a denial of the Armenian Genocide. The quotation included articulates his position that a reexamination of history by the Turks is warranted, but that the U.S. should remain uninvolved. Later articles also cited include Foxman's recognition of the Armenian genocide, but continue to oppose congressional intervention. - CheshireKatz 17:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marc Rich

This was removed from the body, and I think rightfully so, but I think it ought to just vanish incase there is a way for someone to improve it.--Uncle Bungle (talk) 22:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

In recent years he has become a controversial figure because of his central role in winning a presidential pardon from former United States President Bill Clinton for Marc Rich, the international businessman who gave $250,000 to the ADL while Foxman worked for his pardon.^[1]