Talk:Abe Saffron
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[edit] Australian Business category??
Is it really appropriate to place Saffron in the Australian Business category? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.73.204.141 (talk • contribs).
- He once owned an entire strip of nightclubs / strip bars in Kings Cross, New South Wales. Why not? That's business to me. -- Longhair 11:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Fair enough.
[edit] Is incomplete
Needs info added about his life before serious crime as a draper. Possiby needs more info about his attempts to sanitise his public image. More direct quotes from obituaries could help a lot here too. — Donama 05:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] In defence of Abe
I moved this block of text written by 203.14.108.9 from the article to the talk page, which is the designated place to discuss article status and changes (doing so in the article itself would be infeasible anyway). I'm in no way affiliated with this article or Mr. Saffron and not able to comment, but I'll try to call some attention to this issue. --Kizor 06:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
RE: Abe Saffron. Your article above made mention of certain points that I would like to comment on. I feel justified in saying this, having known Abe since 1958.
- Abe Saffron never owned, or ran, brothels
- He did own hotels, taverns, nightclubs and apartment blocks and even strip clubs. He was an entrepreneur extraordinaire and brought many overseas artists, including Frank Sinatra, to Australia
- He was mentioned in various Royal Commissions but no charges were ever made against him
- When Abe sued any of the newspapers over such articles, announcements of his court victories were relegated far from the front pages
- Yes, Abe did go to prison on a tax charge, but he was an honourable businessman proven over 65 years.
To compare Abe to gangster is ludicrous, showing that the Wikipedia apparently did not know Abe Saffron but instead, like many others, chose to copy the rabble-rousing of newspapers. I am proud to say Abe was my friend, and I his.
Victor Bogan Sydney, NSW
- Thanks for your feedback, Victor. I went through the article but I couldn't find the allegation that Mr Safron owned brothels. The article seems to be in agreement with your second, third, fourth and fifth comments, excluding, of course, your statement that Mr Safron was an "honourable businessman" as that is a matter of opinion and we could not state that unless quoting a reliable source,
- You mention that you feel this article has repeated allegations made by the newspapers. Wikipedia has a strict policy of verifiability using reliable sources and so the authors of this article most likely used newspaper articles and/or books. If there is false information in the article, please point it out here on the talk page and I will do my best to respond. Sarah 05:59, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Defamation in Australia
I removed the following text from this article:
- In his last years Saffron launched numerous law suits against publications that suggested or stated that he was involed in criminal activity. Like many other public figures with questionable reputations -- such as former Queensland Premier Joh Bjelke-Petersen -- Saffron was able take advantage of Australia's draconian libel and defamation laws to defend his supposed good name. In contrast to the situation in the USA, truth is not a defence in such cases under Australian laws.
Defamation law in Australia varies from state to state. In Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia and the Northern Territory, truth alone is a defence and it is generally considered to be the best defence. In NSW, truth is a partial defence (the material must also relate to a matter of "public interest"). In Queensland and Tasmania truth is a partial defence (the material must also relate to a matter of "public benefit"). And in the ACT, truth is also a partial defence (the public benefit test applies in addition to a negligence test if no criminal activity is alleged). The blanket statement: "In contrast to the situation in the USA, truth is not a defence in such cases under Australian laws" is false. Sarah 05:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
