Talk:A59 road
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[edit] Article Style
This article is a bit too wordy for me, which is why I've added the {{essay-entry}} template. See A1 and A66 for good examples of how a roads article should be laid out, and not simply a narrative of all its waypoints, which is not useful for an encyclopedia. See wp:mos. — superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 21:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disputed section
The section indicates that it is in Yorkshire this may be so from Skipton onwards but the part prior to this is in Lancashire. Also the section quotes the West Riding of Yorkshire which is no longer in existance since the 1974 local government reorganisation.
Keith D 14:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, that's not true. Lancashire and Yorkshire have never been abolished. In 1974, the government created new administrative areas which change all the time. Gisburn is part of administrative Lancashire, but it is also part of the historic county of Yorkshire, hence the 'welcome to Yorkshire' sign on the road to Gisburn, which was unveiled in 2004! If we're talking about administrative areas, why don't we just say that the road runs through the Region of the North-West, the administrative counties of Sefton, City of Liverpool, etc, the Ceremonial Counties of Merseyside, Lancashire, North Yorkshire, the historic counties of Lancashire and Yorkshire, or now, and likely in the future, we should say that it runs through the Liverpool City Region into the Central Lancashire City Region and into the Leeds City Region. Take your pick! Isn't it better to stick with the names that don't change every 5 years or so?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Imaginativename (talk • contribs)
[edit] Lancashire?
Liverpool is not in Lancashire. The A59 enters Lancashire north of Robbins Island (SD 384 040). Prior to this it is in Sefton and Liverpool City. ...
- Actually Liverpool has been in Lancashire since Liverpool was built on Lancashire soil. The historic county of Lancashire has never been abolished despite local government reforms - it remains the same as it has done for the last 900 years. I think you are getting confused with administrative counties - administrative Lancashire is the area administered by the County Council of that name, which is indeed a much smaller area than the historic county. Ordnance Survey only show administrative areas, which is why you will be hard pressed to even find Merseyside on a map!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Imaginativename (talk • contribs)
... Ordnance Survey also shows A59 starting at the end of the M53, in Wallasey (SJ 300 912)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.134.94 (talk • contribs)
- I think this article was written by someone who was working to pre-1974 descriptors of counties, hence the comment above about West Riding of Yorkshire. — MapsMan [ talk | cont ] — 08:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- this article wasn't written by someone using pre-1974 descriptors of counties. They just weren't using administrative or ceremonial counties. Sefton and Liverpool City aren't counties either (in Tyne and Wear, Berkshire, Merseyside, Greater Manchester, West Midlands, South Yorks and West Yorks admin/ceremonal counties, the single tier top level administrative areas aren't counties, even if they function as them, and similar things elsewhere in the country are admin counties (but not ceremonial, except Bristol and Herefordshire). Basically the counties that existed before local government was changed in 1888, 1964, 1974, 1986, 1997, etc still do because the whole thing is a mess. The A59 can be said to go through the following counties (treating the Mersey tunnel as not the A59) - Lancashire and Yorkshire (West Riding, North Riding and York) or Merseyside, Lancashire and North Yorkshire or Merseyside, Lancashire, North Yorkshire and The City of York, depending on which county system you use!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.83.167 (talk • contribs)
- This is a very old debate on Wikipedia, however, it is Wikipedia policy (based on consensus and reference material) that we use the current, "administrative" county system when describing places on Wikipedia. There is an overwhelming consensus within the editting community to apply this policy, and not take the minority view (rightfully or wrongfully) that the historic or former administrative counties still exist as the primary geographic frame of reference. Breach of this will likely see IP addresses and accounts blocked indefinately and/or articles protected by an administrator. Jza84 00:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- this article wasn't written by someone using pre-1974 descriptors of counties. They just weren't using administrative or ceremonial counties. Sefton and Liverpool City aren't counties either (in Tyne and Wear, Berkshire, Merseyside, Greater Manchester, West Midlands, South Yorks and West Yorks admin/ceremonal counties, the single tier top level administrative areas aren't counties, even if they function as them, and similar things elsewhere in the country are admin counties (but not ceremonial, except Bristol and Herefordshire). Basically the counties that existed before local government was changed in 1888, 1964, 1974, 1986, 1997, etc still do because the whole thing is a mess. The A59 can be said to go through the following counties (treating the Mersey tunnel as not the A59) - Lancashire and Yorkshire (West Riding, North Riding and York) or Merseyside, Lancashire and North Yorkshire or Merseyside, Lancashire, North Yorkshire and The City of York, depending on which county system you use!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.83.167 (talk • contribs)
