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[edit] Dobrotiţă?

Hi! I see you've substituted the standard transliteration of the Bulgarian name of Dobrotitsa (Добротица) with some obscure Romanian spelling. As far as I know, Dobrotitsa's name in Romanian is Dobrotici, and the point of the 'Dobrotitsa/Dobrotici' thing is to show both the Bulgarian and the Romanian name (though I'd say they're not equal, but nevertheless). Could you please explain what you were trying to do by removing the Bulgarian name and adding something else at its place? Making some sort of point, pushing a point of view, or what? Todor→Bozhinov 21:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


Hello there! I see you are a master editor of Bulgarian pages :) I'm new here, I don't know if this is the best way to answer you. Regarding Romanian language and history, I think I know a lot more than you, so I can inform you that "Dobrotiţă" is met in the Romanian sources besides "Dobrotici", and "Dobrotitsa" is simply the English for it. Isn't it so, or do you say in Bulgarian "Dobrotitsa" ? No source mentions precisely the Bulgarian or Vlach ethnicity of Dobrotitsa/Dobrotiţă/Dobrotici, and after recent studies he could be even of Cuman origins, but you must consider that Dobrudja was than populated mostly with Vlachs, and even Vlach leaders took Slavic names, for centuries...--Madalinfocsa 23:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, I'm not any master editor or anything like that, I just saw some of your edits in my watchlist and thought they needed some discussion.
Allright, so Dobrotiţă is another name in Romanian, besides Dobrotici. Dobrotitsa (Добротица in Cyrillic) is the English transliteration of the Bulgarian name. The point of the Dobrotitsa/Dobrotici thing is to show both names as equal, since the region is shared by our two countries and so it its history, and I believe it would be better to have it remain like that.
To tell you the truth, I'm quite suspicious about Dobruja being mainly populated by Vlachs in the 14th century, what primary sources mention this? Todor→Bozhinov 11:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so we agree that it could remain as it is now. As for Dobrudja, I suppose you know this land was populated in ancient times with Getes (Dacians), many sources mention that. That population was romanized ("latinized") during the rule of Romans, and after the last migration wave, that of Slavs, the Vlachs were fully developed (including some obvious Slavic influences that we always recognised). We could talk of "Romanian people" only after including the last main component, the Cumans (this is rather a new theory and is more and more obvious) - up to the 14'th Century. Even the Basarabs could be of Cuman origin. So we could even tell that Dobrudja was populated, from the 14'th Century, mainly by Romanians, if not Vlachs. The sources to sustain that are many, from the archeological material to the Byzantine chronicles. It is obvious that the Vlachs were indigens on that land, mainly in the north, centre and west, and they were present even in the south, as they lived in compact areas by all the right bank of the Danube for many centuries (from Timoc Valley to Dobrudja). So, in the times of Dobrotitsa/Dobrotici, we could say that his principality was populated mostly with Vlachs/Romanians, even if their leaders would be of Slavic origin. Simply the fact that Mircea the Elder took Dobrudja without any recorded fight could speak of some strong relations with Dobrudjan leaders like Dobrotitsa, and we could say that the latters handed over this land to Mircea, in order to be protected more efficiently from the raising threat of the Ottomans. Anyway, in the next centuries, under Turkish occupation, it is more and more obvious that Romanians were the main populations, as the shepperds from Carpathians climbed downd and settled in this region, in an annual migration that is called "transhumanţă" in Romanian, tipical for their occupation. We could easily deduct the fact that this happened for centuries before 1417, being a custom enherited from our ancestors, the Dacians.--Madalinfocsa 10:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)