User talk:86.132.249.51

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Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Heaven (nightclub). It is considered vandalism, which under Wikipedia policy, can lead to blocking of editing privileges. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. Nick Cooper 17:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Heaven (nightclub), you will be blocked from editing. Nick Cooper 18:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] May 2007

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Heaven (nightclub), you will be blocked from editing. -- lucasbfr talk 08:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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Comments: 1 week block. – Riana ⁂ 08:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia as a result of your disruptive edits. You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism (including page blanking or addition of random text), spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks; and repeated, blatant violations of our neutral point of view policy will not be tolerated. TigerShark 17:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

these pathetic warnings are simply censorship. A neutral point of view has to include negative comments dispite the fact that you may not like them. Heaven club is full of yardie south london gansters who are drug dealers and homophobic. Attempting to stifle debate under guise of 'vandalism' etc shows that you are heaven staff members. The fact that gansters have colonized this club is obvious and clear. Period —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.249.51 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 2 June 2007

Making sure that people do not leave libellous, unsourced and quite frankly untrue material in articles is not "censorship." One does not have to be a Hevaen staff member (which I presume TigerShark isn't, while I'm certainly not) to appreciate that. Nick Cooper 19:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
This is just rubbish, its censorship, plain and straight. These obsessive heaven staff keep censoring this site and hysterically removing anything that doesn't gush over heaven and promote it in a positive way to give maximum financial benefit to the club. If these so called 'untrue' comments on here are untrue, why would they be posted? The experience of clubbers wether good or bad should be left without blatant nazi style censoring and just because some people haven't had a bad time, doesn't mean 100% of people who do have have a totally positive time.
These self appointed censors do heaven no favours and writing a big ad on here (which is how it's written) is not really condusive to what wikipedia is about {{86.132.249.51|21:54, 7 June 2007}
Which "heaven staff", exactly? I work for the NHS. As to your motivation, that's your own affair. You do, however, seem to be labouring under a false impression as to what Wikipedia is "about" and what it is "for". If there is the "problem" you keep claiming at Heaven, then it seems unlikely that it would have escaped the notice of the specialised press that would be likely to document it. Find something in Boyz or Diva or Mixmag that corroborates your claims, and you're free to cite it in a responsible and impartial manner. Nick Cooper 23:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
This censorship and the excuses given for it are pathetic. Just because your experience of heaven is different to mine does not make it 'false' or 'unsourced' How do you sourse or prove an experience? Also claiming a comment is liableous is really being over the top and dramatic, You can't be held liable if its true, or if it's an opinion based on experience.
The fact that you keep obsessively tearing down postings shows that you need to get a life and stop this blatant promotion of heaven nightclub. The place is crawling with drug dealers and gansters, next you will be telling us no drugs have ever been taken there, no drugs are 'allowed' in and everyone who goes there has a 100% wonderful time on every visit
Does the promoter for heaven on here realize that his gushing praise for the club is a little misplaced. Asking for gay press stories to 'corroborate' something negative about a gay club is far fetched and unreasonable. The gay press get substantial revenue from heaven nightclub and others. For them to write up negative stories about illegal activity in the club is not what they will be writing about. The gay press is very small, run and owned mostly by the same company. The last thing this 'gay press" clique will do is sabotage their own advertising and probably free entry/hospitality by the clubs they write about. That said, since it is counter productive it's a scene you wont see from them. Try to be neutral and end this strange positive spin on the club you are trying to impose on readers.
One only has to apply basic logic to conclude that your claimed experience - if it is real at all - is highly atypical, otherwise the gay community would be avoiding Heaven like the plague. Similarly, your claims about the "gay press" having a vested interest fall down becuase the mainstream clubbing press is also failing to report the activity you describe. And if you think Heaven is "crawling with drug dealers and gangsters" then your experience of clubbing in general must be somewhat limited. As to "gangsters" specifically, how do you know? Are they wearing badges? Annecdotally, if the sort of thing you claim is going on, it would hardly have escaped the notice of users of DSI, yet if anything people there regularly comment on how strict security in Heaven is compared to other venues, not how lax.
If the fact that I keep removing your claims provides suspicion that I should "get a life" (as if having a page in your watchlist involves some special effort and vigilance), then what does your continued posting of those comments in the first place - in what must now be the clear knowledge that they will not remain for long - say about you? In fact, one could just as easily suggest that you are a "promoter" for another rival club, intent on blackening the name of the competition.
The bottom line, though, is that Wikipedia is not the place for people to tout their personal experiences. I can't add a comment about how good a certain night was because of how a particular DJ played, any more than you can add your claimed experiences. If, however, a reputable publication or website reports something along either lines, that report can be related accurately here. Nick Cooper 13:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

get off your high horse the person who said the drug dealing goes on is right and it's totally stupid to pretend it doesn't happen. the place is crawling with criminal elements all over the club get real and stop asking for proof if you want it call the police and ask for their crime reports and intelligence!!! YAWN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.249.101 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 10 June 2007

It's up to the person making the claims to provide acceptable proof, not hearsay, gossip, or whatever. Nick Cooper 20:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)