Talk:82nd Airborne Division (United States)

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[edit] Baggy Pants

Is the January 1944 date in paragraph 5 correct? (RJP 15:09, 26 May 2005 (UTC))

I doubt it, since the phrase was acknowlged by the Germans, not the US Army. It is apocrophal at best. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 00:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The Battle of Anzio was from 23 Jan 1944 to 25 May 1944. This is where the 504th was when the diary was captured. They are known through out the Army as the "Devil's in Baggy Pants". The actual diary resides in the 82nd Airborne Division War Memorial Museum on woodmansterne road in Ft. Bragg, NC. --82nd Paratrooper 17:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OUTDATED INFO-removed from page

"The 1st brigade of the division is now scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan in the fall of 2004." Needs to updated. WikiDon 05:03, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Propaganda names

Please note that articles should follow the neutral point of view. Propaganda names should be avoided when possible. Añoranza 02:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It's the official name.--Looper5920 02:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree, --zero faults |sockpuppets| 02:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I am always greatly amused whenever I see someone object to "Propaganda" when what they really mean is that they are against so-called "Black" propaganda. They really donh't object to "White" Propaganda since they really havn't a clue as to the difference between the two. In fact, I'll wager that opponents to so-called "propaganda names" aren't aware of just what "White" Propaganda is. I am sure that they assume that the form of Propaganda they recognize - "Black" Propaganda - is all there is, but that is simply not the case. Properly, propaganda is nothing more than information that furthers one side or the other in a cause. It was the Jesuits who coined the term, and they intended it to further the Christian cause. "Black" Propaganda is propaganda that stretches the truth just enough to further a lie, while "White" Propaganda tells the honest truth - as the propagator see the truth - and so furthers the cause, even when that cause is cricized by objectors. In other words, one man's propaganda is another man's information. Both can be true and factual, and therefore should not be discriminated against.SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 02:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
"Black" propaganda...."White" propaganda.....what are you talking about?Equinox137 04:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The 2nd brigade of the Division took part in 2003 invasion of Iraq in early 2003.
This most recent change has caused the article to have 2003 twice in the same sentance. That is bad sentance structure. The result is you reduced the quality of the article. This doesnt not work in your favour -- slow down -- make good changes instead of lots of changes. Jayvdb 02:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

i was in the 82nd ,our motto was all the way.can anyone see if this is the motto or where there more than one—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.185.126.254 (talk • contribs) 03:20, 28 February 2006.

That is indeed the motto of the Division although individual units within the Division also have motto's. Such as the 504th PIR mentioned above. --82nd Paratrooper 17:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Importance rating

I rated this article as "Top" based on the the fact that the 82nd has been involved in most military operations in the last few decades, they are the US's primary rapid deployment force (usually first to go), and that the unit is known to most people in the U.S., even if they don't have a clue what the unit does. --Nobunaga24 06:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Current capabilities

The History section takes up nearly the entire artice - I think we need more information on current capabilities and what makes this unit unique among the current military. I will add info that I can find. Identity0 08:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


The entire division is currently deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe this should be mentioned in the article.

[edit] Elite

The first line of the article calls them an 'elite' unit of the US Army. I'm not disputing if this is true, but it would be nice if there was some information about what makes them 'elite', whether its their selection and training process or whatever. This could be included in a training/capabilities section maybe? Ebglider91 (talk) 01:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know the specifics (I'm a Marine, not a soldier), but I think that Airborne recruits are held at higher physical standards and recieve more intense training than regular infantry, as they are considered a specialized light infantry.-TMC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.22.213 (talk) 08:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo

During Kosovo War, 82nd was stationed in northern Albania, and it stayed there until Serbs withdrew. 82nd was first unit to enter Kosovo after the war, but not during the war.

[edit] On decorations

The ministerial award, here shown in silver

The Military Order of William, when awarded to units, is not specified as "IVth Class" or "First Class". All decorated units simply tie the knights cross to their regimental banner. The date "1940" after the Belgian fouragere suggests that it was awarded in 1940. That can't be true. The USA were neutral in that year.

Source: Moed en Deugd door J. van Zelm van Eldik, 2003

On the Dutch Wiki, [1], the brave sergant Alex van Aalten late of the 82nd Airborne 1-508 PIR (Parachute Infantry Regiment) Delta Company at Fort Bragg, North Carolina has been memorized. He received a ministerial award in gold for his part in retrieving the body of a Dutch soldier killed in action.
He certainly was a fine young man and a brave soldier in the best tradition of his regiment.
Faithfully yours, Robert Prummel 23:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC), The Netherlands.

[edit] WWI 82nd Division Shoulder Sleeve Insignia

That is not a WW 1 insignia, it is a modern insignia without the airborne tab. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.179.13 (talk) 18:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 505th PIR Crest

Is there a pertinent or valid reason why the 505th PIR Crest placed on this article? I personally do not believe it conveys any message towards the 82nd as a whole or the article. Even though the unit is a brigade under the division. -Signaleer (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)