User talk:82.31.42.97

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[edit] Your edits to hydrogen sulfide

I have reverted your edit to hydrogen sulfide. The name of the compound, per IUPAC, is spelled with an f, not with ph. Please do not change the spelling that has been accomplished by consensus. Thank you. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with the page hydrogen sulfide on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to hydrogen sulfide, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not vandalising anything. Actual English spells this with -ph, if your little American corner of the world believes a consensus is to impose lovely new spellings on things that were discovered moons ago, then so be it, but the rest of us who speak English (that's just English. Not 'american' english. Different language indeed.) have and will continue to use the proper spelling. Why don't you cease to vandalise, ahem sorry, americanise the whole world, and maybe I'll stop correcting your atrocious spelling.

If i remeber correctly, the article is titled Hydrogen Sulfide. It would appear that if the spelling within the article were changed, the title of the article should also be changed! Discuss this on the discussion page for the topic! Chris Kreider - HFF 12:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The spelling has been accomplished by consensus, chemistry uses the IUPAC spelling. And, FYI, I am not American. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The only reason I didn't change the title is because I didn't immediately see how, and the fact you aren't american doesn't mean that there isn't a hugely prevalent culture of Americanisation of such things.

if the spelling has been reached by consensus, then just changing it over and over is not the way to handle the problem! Do some research and at least discuss it on the topics discussion page! Chris Kreider - HFF 12:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes thanks for that I've long since spotted that my changes weren't sticking, and until we started discussing (we're doing that now you see) I didn't know that IUPAC had 'decided' to spell it with an f. If you ask me a travesty. Consensus means agreement, and I don't, but I guess I'll just leave you to it. I can cope with an f I guess.

Thanks for taking the time to talk about it! Alot of editors dont put that effort forward! Dont feel dicouraged from editing wikipedia! When I first started, I had similar arguments. Feel free to sign up for an account and continue contributing to wikipedia! If you need any help, let me know. Chris Kreider - HFF 12:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear 81.31.42.97. You are right, there will never be agreement, but consensus means in this case, that there has been a decision (and there is agreement over that) to follow IUPAC. For your information, both the IUPAC (American, indeed) and RSC (Royal Society of Chemistry, UK based) use the spelling of sulfur with an 'f'. On the other hand, aluminium is spelled with the extra 'i', which is the UK spelling. Both are used (hopefully consistently) throughout the en.wikipedia. For more information on these discussions, see Sulphur#Spelling and Aluminium#spelling, and on the talk-pages of these two pages. I hope this settles it a bit, but if you want to discuss further, don't hesitate. By the way, things are described in wp:mos (or on one of the subpages thereof) and on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (chemistry). --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, at least the fact that they stuck with the -ium ending for aluminium shows there is still some sense in the world. This isn't the UK spelling, it's just the spelling! Convention being as much of a thing as it is in chemistry you'd think they'd keep the same suffixes anyway. I'm assuming of course that in the US they use Francium and Caesium for example.

Indeed, IUPAC uses caesium and francium (though for the latter the spelling phrancium is never seen). By the way, may I ask you to sign your posts, just type four tildes (~~~~), provide an edit summary and click 'save'? Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware 'Phrancium' had ever been a spelling of Francium, that one has surprised me, I've always known that as beginning with F. Especially since I think it was named after France, or some french guy possibly, and also has the Fr symbol. I also just had a look at the discussion pages over Aluminium and Sulphur and good god is there a serious amount of debate there. I think I may have wandered into to the wrong place ;). 82.31.42.97 13:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

If you type the 4 tildes ~~~~ it will automatically put the current date and time in there for you! Chris Kreider - HFF 13:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Phrancium was never a serious spelling .. but I liked it. And about the signature, i guess you have used four dashes and 5 tildes (see wp:sig). See you around. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)