User talk:82.27.153.18

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Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to the [[:Vespa, Scooter racing, Lambretta TV200, Lambretta (motorscooter), Lambretta SX 200]] page. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Rgds, --Trident13 19:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lambretta links

Would you please explain to me exactly why you removed my links? I spent many years as a works rider of Rafferty Newman 'wildcat Lambretta scooters' and am considered an authority on them. Just exactly why do you feel qualified to remove the links? How qualified are you on Lambrettas? I'm very annoyed at you for doing that. Unless you can contribute something better, I think you should leave well alone. If necessary I will create a dedicated 'Wildcat' page on Wikipedia. Regards Dave Tooley

Can I first ask, have you read the the rules at WP:CIV? If you created a registered Wiki account, and explained who you were, perhaps I could have taken your claimed credentials into account (I can't verify who you are), and asked why you added the link - which contains an amount of commercial content, and therefore would not without explanation meet the rules for inclusion unless it's value were explained. You even added the link to the Vespa article, under the pages highlighted edit notes stating that the page is carefully watched, and if an editor wants to add an external link to please explain why on the Talk Page: and you didn't. Finally, unlike myself when removing your link, you left no edit summary in your addition of the link to some five articles - which in its own looks like SPAM activity. I am happy to discuss further, but why add the link to five articles unless you wanted to publicise it for commercial gain? The article on Wildcat would need to be considered on its own, but a quick singular Google check would suggest it would fail WP:notability rules for inclusion. Rgds, - Trident13 19:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wildcats

I have registered with Wiki, and have a username and password. But since when I first viewed your page it said anyone could edit or add content I didn't see the problem. You can see who I am, Dave Tooley. Just search for my name in any search engine of your choice and you will find me number one in the world. I was world famous in the early 70's as one of the most succesful riders of my era on the Works Wildcat Lambrettas. If that doesn't qualify as experienced enough to get an entry on Wikipedia, I don't know what is. I added the links to the very few references you have to scooters because of that very reason. YOU HAVE VERY FEW REFERENCES TO SCOOTERS. My website gets thousands of hits every day because there is so much world wide interest in it. I just thought it may be of further interest to the internet community to put a link from your site. The only possible commercial link on my site is a minor reference to Lambretta clothing. Can easily be removed if you have an issue with it. Rafferty Newman have not sold Lambrettas since 1972 (Italy stopped making them then) so there is no issue there) If you take the time to actually look through my site, http://www.davesplace.co.uk/Dave%20Tooley%27s%20Scooter%20Racing%20Links%20Page.htm you will find it holds priceless information from a lost era, and also photos from a period of racing you will find nowhere else. I hope this answers some of your questions. But to be honest, I'm not that bothered. I only thought your readers may be interested in following on from the subjects. If you don't care about your readers being further enlightened, then I will not bother again, and just carry on adding to my own site.

Regards Dave Tooley —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.27.153.18 (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Unfortunately, again, can I ask - have you read WP:CIV? This is a co-operative site, and your attitude and tone is unnecessary - Thank You. Some thoughts....
  • Articles on wikipedia have to meet certain criteria for inclusion. You or I may think it important, but unless the article's subject meets these criteria, then any other editor can challenge it under a defined procedure. If the challenge is successful and supported by others, then the article is removed. I did a quick search on Wildcats again, and on a Google search criteria it would fail - hence probably fail WP:notability
  • A number of experts often find it hard to add to existing articles, because Wikipedia asks only for fact. Fact is different to expertise, in that it requires reference. That takes a bit of time to get used to, to have to prove what you write: I re wrote the Yamaha R1 article substantially into wiki format, after an expert editor had added much but substantiated little with external reference. We collaborated, he's not got a nice article which he add's to in a developed style
  • External links are meant as a way of adding additional information to an article for a reader, not as a commercial or Google ranking exercise. However, as is the case for the Ducati Paso, and as explained on the talk page of the Vespa article, some editors who are (claim) to be experts have added much good information to those articles, those who are interested in that subject generally won't complain if the editor in question adds his/her commercial link. They are often enthusiasts, and have much good information on their own site. Again I reiterate I don't know who you are (ie - I can't substantiate it), but if you are who you claim you are a good edit record in an area would substantially prove your expertise here beyond reasonable doubt
  • The Vespa article has suffered from much attack. The reason for this is that a group of six+ editors collaborated to create a more substantial article some 6months ago. Two of the things we created was a "Famous Vespa" and 'Vespa in Film" sections, which seem to be the longest lists of such criteria around (NB: you will note on most of the car related articles, such information has been removed - they had a group decision to exclude such information. Different choices in different areas, depending on what different groups of editors agree is appropriate - collaboration over numerous fixed rules). As a result it has added/we revert an external link addition about twice a day - write a good article, and its quite satisfying to see it continually referred to, but attack is one of the down sides
Here's a thought...... in review, the Lambretta article is pretty poor at present: not much history, poor in most other areas. I wouldn't claim expertise or basic knowledge in the area (I'm a Vespa man - plus Triumph, BSA, Norton, etc all of which I currently own examples of). Why not improve the lambretta article, add a piece on racing and hence a piece on the wildcats. I don't think many would complain about that, you could use your site (and others) as a reference point, and add it as a link. If you want some assistance I am happy to help, or go over to the Wiki motorcycle project page (you can find a link on my personal FP), and find some other editors who would love to help you revamp the Lambretta article. Best Regards, - Trident13 20:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)