User talk:74.228.158.68

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[edit] Welcome

Hello! I've noticed that you have edited Wikipedia without logging in to an account. I'm happy that you've been contributing. However, I urge you to create an account. Here is a list of the benefits of having an account:

There are no cons to signing up for an account. In fact, you can find even more pros at the "why create an account" page! Signing up is completely free and you don't need to enter any personal information! Plus you can have a user page like mine! So, unless you can think of a con, sign up for an account right now! TrUCo-X 22:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] apology

sorry for participating in a edit war with you. another user told me what a edit war was. I didn't think they had a name for it. I understand why you deleted my entry on the santa rita rules. I am proposing a gang wiki project your welcome to participate.Sickero (talk) 11:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

What you need to keep in mind is that Wikipedia is essentially an online encyclopedia. The encyclopedia sets at the library don't contain personal opinions, or things that can't be proven. Because many people assume that Wikipedia articles are completely accurate, editors need to make sure that article information can be supported with strong references. I wrote almost the entire article for Nortenos, and spent a great deal of time searching for good references and including them. It's important that anything that be added to the article be properly referenced. Even if I know something from personal experience, I can't include it unless it's referenced. If you want to contribute to gang articles, find articles that contain "fact" (citation needed) tags and then try to find a source online that supports the statement. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 23:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

OK I understandSickero (talk) 09:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mexican Mafia

Thank you for your great work on the Mexican Mafia article, particularly in removing it from the wikification backlog. That article was an unsourced, POV mess with frequent vandalism prior to your rewrite. I'll keep the article on my watchlist and mercilessly revert any unsourced edits. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 01:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I had been checking the article out for a while, and meaning to clean it up, I just didn't have the time I knew it would take. Vandalism still might occur for gang rivalry reasons, but at least now it's going to be easier for people to distinguish what's sourced and what new additions are just speculation. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 05:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not bochinche, fact!

Good to see you know where I'm coming from then, but instead of reverting my edits why can't you help the Reggaeton community by trying to source these facts because if you are a true reggaetonero then you would know these to be fact and not gossip. The reason why I reverted your edit was because there is no longer tiraera between them and that statement and citation is way old chico. And really we're not allowed to reference Youtube videos? That sucks because it is clear proof that they no longer have tiraera and videos are evidence used in courts as proof for prosecution but for some stupid reason that doesn't seem to hold up in wikipedia! I will undo your edit and try my hardest to find sources for what we both know are facts just give me a bit of time, I mean I'm not adding BS. P.S. Why don't you make yourself an account? TeePee-20.7 (talk) 07:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

The Youtube thing is partly about copyright issues, but also because of sourcing issues. Video can be edited, manipulated, dated improperly, etc. Someone can dub their voice over video of Daddy Yankee on a talk show, and make it seem like he's badmouthing another artist, post it on Youtube. It's far-fetched, but you get the point. Video that is owned by a particular site, though, and hosted on that same site is a different story. So if Daddy Yankee says something on Univision, and the video is posted on Univision.com, then it can be used. I think you should re-add that Daddy Yankee interview source, but maybe reword it for past tense, because it's one of the few concrete sources that can be used (plus he goes into depth about tiraera with other artists in general). I make a ton of contributions to all the reggaeton articles over the last few years (I wrote a lot of the original reggaeton article years ago), I just never felt like creating an account. My IP changes naturally, main thing is that people can open discussions with me and I'm still subject to wikipedia rules. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 21:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh ok but as you can see from the video I used as a reference that it is original, recent and unedited or manipulated. So why wouldn't it be good enough? Yeh but that is Daddy Yankee's interview and not Don Omar's. And why not make an account man? It takes less time to make an account than it does to make an edit like some of the ones you have been making. As truco mentioned it has alot more pros than cons. Anyway I'm sure alot of people would appreciate it if you did. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 06:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Why did you once more revert what all reggaetoneros know to be fact? Why can't you help find a source instead of deleting it like it's a bunch of BS? 4 realz man, if you wanted to help the Reggaeton community I don't know why you wouldn't try finding sources and adding information instead of deleting it. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 15:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
It was all unsourced. Some of the content was improperly sourced, with references added after content that didn't appear in the article (like VoyMusic). I pointed out why Youtube videos can't be used as references. You were supposed to go out and find solid references by now, but that hasn't been done. If everything in that article is common knowledge, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to provide references (not message board comments, gossip sites or Youtube videos). We need to make sure everything is referenced, otherwise what's to stop someone from posting false things about an artist and saying "it's common knowledge"? There has to be accountability. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Most of it is sourced! Just what I noticed now is that the reason why Hector "EL Father" is having tiraera with Don Omar is not sourced, otherwise it is all sourced. Obviously I was wrong and you're not up to date with what is happening in the reggaeton world. Sorry I just thought you would be seeing how you mentioned you wrote most of the reggaeton article years ago. But very evidently you have no clue! You still didn't answer either of the questions I asked you, but now I know why. BTW your edit is crap because the stuff you left about his Tiraera with Yankee is not even sourced so if this is the way you want to be and just go around deleting fact instead of looking for a source then you might as well delete his tiraera with Yankee too. Sigh, thanks for helping the community! P.S. Don't bother making an account, I take back what I said earlier as I thought you were different.TeePee-20.7 (talk) 07:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
1. The Daddy Yankee section is completely unsourced. It WAS sourced at one point (with a Daddy Yankee interview), but someone removed it. Again, Youtube videos can't be used as a source. 2. There's no source for the Polaco and Yomo tiraera. 3. References to "Burger King" etc about Hector el Father does not at all appear in the Voy Music article, so it's unsourced. There's absolutely no reason for you to be childish about this and throw a fit because of the edit ("I thought you were cool but I was wrong," etc), it's not too much to ask that you take five minutes to look up some references for the article. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 08:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

1.It is sourced with the video which is one of the questions I asked which you chose to ignore "as you can see from the video I used as a reference that it is original, recent and unedited or manipulated. So why wouldn't it be good enough?". And as I also said earlier which you chose to ignore, is that the interview was Daddy Yankee's not Don Omar's! 2. Yes okay this one is not sourced and should be deleted until a source can be found. 3. Yes it does! What's wrong with you did you even check the reference?! I'm not throwing a fit I'm just very disapointed in you and if you want to say I said something then quote me right and don't go make up false quotes! It's not too much to ask that instead of constantly deleting information that you take 5 minutes to look for references! So once again crap. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 06:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why you don't create an account?

Just curious. The reason is that people are typically reluctant to start a conversation with an IP address ... you may be missing messages that people want to leave you. Miguel.mateo (talk) 06:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I've never felt the need to create one. I've written more than a few articles without needing an account, I get all the messages that people leave on the talk page. I'm a big stickler when it comes to articles being referenced, and spam links being removed, and so far there hasn't been any conflict between that and editing without a formal username. 74.228.158.68 (talk) 07:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
It is just a suggestion. My first interaction with you, I did not comment anything in this talk page just because 'it is an IP', so I assumed an IP user does not look at their talk page ... anyways, new learning everyday. Miguel.mateo (talk) 08:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)