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[edit] Carson-Newman College

Thank you for your contributions. Your edit to Carson-Newman College was reverted because local website designers are not inherently notable under Wikipedia criteria. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. --Orlady (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

In a recent edit summary, you said "Creative professionals whose work has become a 'significant monument' for the college are included as notable." I am not familiar with any part of the Wikipedia notability guidelines that supports this statement. Where in Wikpedia's policy or guidelines did you find this? Further, you stated: "Please note that notable people under the Wikipedia criteria include more than athletes." This is true. Note that although notable alumni lists for some colleges do seem to be dominated by athletes, the C-N list of notables does include several Congressmen.

Whether people are notable or not, when information about them is added to a Wikipedia article, it needs to be sourced (see WP:V). Unsourced information can (and should) be removed. Also, note that continued disruptive editing can lead to being blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Orlady (talk) 04:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

J. Michael Evon is not and has not ever been a web designer. He is an artist and graphic designer whose work is currently on display as one of the few permanent installations on the Carson-Newman campus. His work has appeared in, Print Magazine, How Design, and Southern Living (Each of these are national or international publications). Each of these criterions are listed as applicable under the notability guidelines of Wikipedia listed under creative professionals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.231.247 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

My apologies for calling Mr. Evon (is that you?) a web designer. I see from http://www.evondesign.com/ that he is a commercial graphic designer. That website is the principal ghit (other than mirrors of this page) I get when I search on his name. I guess that pages like this one and this one (both articles about how to make money in Internet marketing) led me to believe that he is a web designer. Regardless, nothing I have found in searches and nothing you have said here (but note that you have not cited sources) indicates that he meets any of the following notability criteria for artists:
  • The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
  • The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
  • The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
  • The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.
--Orlady (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I see that you have re-added this person to the article, quoting the list of notability criteria as the reason. Unfortunately, unsourced assertions of notability such as yours don't carry weight around Wikipedia (I can claim to be the queen of England, but if I can't document that, it's not going to be published here). Furthermore, an artwork that appears as a permanent installation on the campus where the artist attended school is not nearly the same thing as "a significant monument" or "a substantial part of a significant exhibition." I am reverting your edit, and I am copying this conversation to the Carson-Newman article talk page for future reference. --Orlady (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I have seen several sources for Michael Evon, as well as Evon Design, that meet several of the above listed qualifiers for notability under Wikipedia, including being published in national articles as well as on display in several notable exhibitions. This designer is in no way associated with any internet marketing strategies, so I would suggest you spend a bit more time with your crude research methods. Also, you stated that an artwork that appears as a permanent installation on the campus where the artist attended school is not nearly the same thing as "a significant monument" or "a substantial part of a significant exhibition," but I beg to differ. Having your art permanently on display at a 157 year old American institution, can be seen by many as significant. Obviously to some, Carson-Newman itself may be judged as insignificant under your simple standards, but they are obviously listed within this online encyclopedia. I am assuming that you are probably quite unfamiliar with the importance of graphic design in our society and the impact of this art form. I hope that in the future you will be more fair and progressive with your editing practices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.117.223 (talk) 07:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)