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[edit] Scottish people

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Scottish people, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

References seem appropriate, but much of the content contains limited references. Specifically, the changes I made were to the statement of Angles and Saxons coming to Scotland in the 4th century. This is not supported by any references, and I think one would be hardpressed to find anything since it is well-established (Romans left us substantial amounts of administrative documents) that the Romans did not leave present day England until 407(officially in 410)--the 5th century. In fact, the genereal inconsistencies of most Wikipedia articles with obscure references to unverifiable sources (i.e. Websites on geocities) make me reluctant to justify attempting to do it better. But, to eliminate my contribution on the basis of it not having references would seem to make it necessary to eliminate the original passage since it too was written without references. However, this has not been done. Nevertheless, to find a broad academic discussion on Britian's different populations of the time, including the potential migrations of Teutonic (Geramanic or Germano-Celtic tribes to the northeast of Roman Gaul), read "Chadwick, Nora. The Celts. Penguin 1970." If not inclined to do significant reading, further references include "Grun, Bernard. The Timetables of History. Simon & Schuster 1991." where you only have to read a few lines in the periods of 401 to 450 to establish the first presence of Saxons, Angles, and Jutes in southern Britain. Naturally, it took several more decades for the Angles to establish a presence in what is today southern Scotland. A more vulgarized book, "Neward, Tim. Celtic Warriors. New York. Blanford Press 1986." makes reference to the first arrival of Saxons as the result of an invitation by the overlord Vortigern, of Southern Britain, to help in their defense against the invading Scots and Picts. A google search will show multiple references to some existence of a hiring of these Germanic warriors to come to help the Roman-less Britons. So, if the Scots and Picts are invading southern Britain in the 5th century...how can we state that Angles and Saxons were in Scotland previous to this? Moreover, Chadwick, in addition to others i have read, establishes that only Angles ever came to southern Scotland in their Anglian/Northumbrian kingdoms. The Saxons were strictly in the south. But anyway...