User talk:67.163.7.227

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what is shakin? sup baby ! 67.163.7.227 19:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC) sign language plus power to the student body !

Duh? Please do not mess it up for everyone? Really !

  huh? and no messages from where we are poor for vor ?

LFC is not KFC so do not burn us and do not fry us.

Demong is spot on ! Someone said Demong was not original?

Oh contrary, this is quite original and objective aside from being a comment about a real policy. What Demong said is correct, and s/he did say it. Notability is not a requirement for content. It is required for the inclusion of an article. Policy dictates that Mr. Walker is entitled to have his discography present in his article and he is entitled to have it accurate (sourced) as much as he is entitled to have a picture. The picture and albums do not have to be popular or contribute to his net worth. The Demong comment is original, and it is a winner. It is decisive. 67.163.7.227 01:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Demong did say that... but spamming that comment all about with his signature and not making any attempt to clearly and distinctly show that it was not he who was adding it to several pages was a rather dick move. Beyond that notability is a topic guideline... not simply an article guideline. A picture in the Walker article would absolutely be warranted if someone wanted to upload it; I would add it to the article myself. Mention of his involvement on an album of questionable notability is not so clear cut and should be decided by community consensus.--Isotope23 02:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

policy is clear to anyone that wants to read it Mr./Ms. isotope and from here to there this is the reality we, the community, will want to see here to there you choose your own community by blocking all our friends as soon as we "sign in" some of us might want to add to matt, lee, and other music stuff but you want to cherry pick what is on matt's site we have watched this and that and it does not add up if someone comes up with another reason for adding lee, you will shoot that down too pick off the pieces from MP3 and MySpace and you have even less of an article cupcakes only has/have MP3 and another item only has a MySpace who are you kidding? read what demong said and you can do the right thing or you can wait until your rfc is done by the way i read an rfc is not for content and you never discussed any of the content with anyone but the old guard everyone is tainted except for us or Demong that is a shame later gater


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons

^ important in what Demong said---uhhuh?

Yes, yes... everyone who has spent a considerable amount of time editing here and understanding the policies and guidelines is "tainted"; the only ones who are not are the myriad of anonymous IP's who have suddenly showed up and started "improving" the Walker article with mention of an album that has repeatedly been spammed into Wikipedia and subsequently deleted for failing our rather clear guidelines... but of course this is about Walker and has nothing at all to do with Nysted right? How could I be so blind.

When citing policies here at Wikipedia, it might be a good idea to read them. WP:BLP for instance contains this:
"If someone appears to be pushing an agenda or a biased point of view, insist on reliable third-party published sources and a clear demonstration of relevance to the person's notability."
...so I invite you, or anyone else for that matter who is so interested in seeing this album in the article as part of Walker's discography to provide a couple non-trivial, reliable third party sources. So far we've been given Nysted's own sites, Amazon, Myspace, and an AMG "review" that is just the album cover. I'd sincerely like to see at least one place where this album was actually reviewed and mention made of Walker playing on it. Given the astroturfing and puppetry that has surrounded Nysted related articles I think that is a rather reasonable request.--Isotope23 03:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


leave it alone this guy is so old school and so not going to listen or read he can only find two out of 10067.163.7.227 03:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

NOW YOU HAVE IT AND NOW YOU HAVE IT---WORD That's right it is a biography  !!! Word ! It must be neutral and not slanted by Oberdic or firefox or crazyguy or whoever. The facts, the discography, a picture, etc. The sources must be accurate and verifiable. Go Matt !

wait just a minute bitte please? can mr. iso and his bunch change what matt has done with his life and change his bio to their liking and remain neutral---? no can mr. oberdictum decide what makes matt money and then decide that is what should be in his bio? no people of LFC, not KFC ---we rest our case---take it to the higher ups if need be--- to the master of disguisy ---like steadmonster or brandted

Shellfish, can you imagine prof. L. looking at this? Yo baby! I am loving that idea. Term P. here I come. XXX

no sex but you could add some lol !

Mr./Ms. Isotope,

Nysted's album is part of Matt's discography not a point of view or an opinion. It is not an agenda. It is verifiable content with real live sources. Show us the cupcakes Google hits. They are gone---never were. Or anything besides MP3 for "Cupcakes." They have no notability. Show us the MySpace link and what it is doing in the article. It is the only thing that other issue has going. That is ASHTAR ? Not anything. Not notable. No google hits, only MySpace. Look at the links Shellfish gave you if you want press for LN. Google Lee Nysted and you will get reviews in 10 different countries. Wait until the new LN album hits this summer then you will have more of us putting up the music notability guidelines.67.163.7.227 04:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


here: "Matt went on to other collaborative efforts in The Cupcakes[1] and Ashtar Command.[2]" from article ^ 67.163.7.227 04:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)



btw did anyone ever mention that the myspace people working for nystedmusic say lee has never ever been here doesn't that mean his own people got him blocked and it isn't even him that everyone is worried about ---sheesh would that be wild yo mama

fixed&yep

  • Actually, Nysted's album would be part of Nysted's discography... not Walker's. Take a look at the Johnny Marr article discography; the only things included are bands that Marr was a regular member of; his extensive session work is left out because wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Beyond that, I would disagree with your contention that there is no agenda here. Perhaps you are not a part of it, but there is a fairly significant history of puppetry and astroturfing here at Wikipedia when it comes to Nysted. Your argument about the Cupcakes is a better argument for removing mention of that band then it is for adding the Nysted album. The links you are referring to don't in any way meet our reliable source guidelines... and besides, your continued insistence on inclusion of this Nysted album would seem to suggest this is more about Nysted than it is about Walker.
If Nysted puts out another album and he actually starts meeting the WP:MUSIC at some point there after, then it might be worth talking about his inclusion, but until there there is nothing more to discuss on that point. As a side note, I believe your sources about Nysted never being on Wikipedia are incorrect. Much of the disruption done here in relation to articles about him was likely done by people who know him rather than Nysted himself, but he was on here at one point and I actually had a few conversations with him on unrelated topics. He seems a nice enough chap.--Isotope23 13:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually you are correct, but only partially correct. Walker is a player in an ensemble with Nysted. (The Lee Nysted Experience.) Walker's participation is part of the discography --- of both players, Nysted and Walker. Walker has played with Nysted, Billy Corgan and Morrisey and other bands throughout his lifetime. That makes each of the people involved, "notable" by Wikipedia guidelines, even if they are not "Notable" on their own. (This is about Matt's biography---see biographies of living persons.) Any album that he plays on will be part of his discography/biography) You are creating rules and guidelines as you go along. You are wrong in eliminating part of his documented discogrphy. The biography of any writer or artist includes all works, including collaborations. Think of it as circles that intersect at one point. They are linked together, much like the web. Ine goes with the other, forever. As long as the source is accurate and reliable, it is.

You are wrong about the exclusion of Nysted in Matt's article. We even asked one of Matt's studios (Darwin Records, right here in Lake Bluff, IL.---next to Lake Forest College.) So much for your RFC. You got one taker (Demong.) That is your consensus. You have chosen to be the consensus about Walker. Too bad for Walker. Maybe that is why his web site is down? 67.163.7.227 14:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Please read our notability guideline again; I don't think you get it yet. Notability is non-transferable... and not every album Walker plays on needs to be mentioned in his Wikipedia article; see WP:NOT. Beyond that the RFC is still going. They take time and at this point I would not consider any consensus to have been reached with only 1 uninvolved person rendering an opinion here and I'm not choosing to be the consensus; I will absolutely respect whatever consensus is eventually reached by independent editors in regards to Walker's discography whether I agree with it or not. chill; we've got time.--Isotope23 14:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Btw, you have never spoken to Lee Nysted. One of his employees or fans maybe. Maybe even one of his daughters? I know you blocked his girlfrined. I have e-mailed her. I hope to get an "interview." We do not think Lee wants to be here and I am quite certain he will never want an article here. Maybe Citizendium or something that cannot be changed by vandals. There are whispers his new album will be out this summer. We are reading notability right now (laughing) and you do not have a case against anything we have brought up. Biography / music / ensembles / "any one of the following" come on Mr. Isotope !

With all do respect for an avid editor, we are but students, but we have time on our hands to study this issue. You are wrong and we will agree to disagree. You have admin. powers and we do not want any more fights. We will move on until Lee's 2nd album is released. Maybe we will ask The Rambling Man for help---he seems nice to everyone. 67.163.7.227 14:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I didn't block his girlfriend. I personally have never blocked anyone involved with Nysted to the best of my recollection. I only know about the situation because I did some investigating when I got involved in the Walker article. In fact I unblocked Nysted when his account block was lifted... Regardless, if you've read all the policies and guidelines and still don't understand why you have not made a "slam-dunk" case for including a mention, then I suggest you read them again. Beyond that, all I'll say is that perhaps if he starts touring etc after his next album, Nysted will meet WP:MUSIC and this will all be a moot point.--Isotope23 15:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
...and yeah The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) is much nicer than I.--Isotope23 15:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Notability: Per Wikipedia

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[edit] Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content

Notability guidelines determine whether a topic is sufficiently notable to be included as a separate article in Wikipedia. These guidelines do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other Wikipedia's guidelines, such as those on the reliability of sources and trivia. However, list articles like List of English writers are expected to include only notable writers.


hey the radless guy with the nuke name has no clue and he will never get his socks off to take a walk in the water--- come back someday when this place wakes up ya'll, besides we are not emo enough for foxtrott or the tope ---lol ! 67.163.7.227 13:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Actually, you are way too emo for me.--Isotope23 14:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability is not popularity

Popularity does not by itself render a subject notable, nor does lack of popularity render it non-notable. For example, popular Internet fads may be the subject of few or no reliable sources and fail to be notable, but a rather obscure seventeenth-century poet may have substantial coverage in reliable histories qualifying the subject as notable. Secondary source availability and depth of coverage, not popularity or fame, establishes notability.


We looked at what it takes for a musician to be notable---beetlebomb! We are correct. Good luck and God speed with the RFC!67.163.7.227 15:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List

Wikipedia is not for advertising. I have removed the list of places to get the album for that reason. (Note that it had a copyright tag from The Orchard, which also indicated it was a cut-and-paste and copyright violation.) Tony Fox (arf!) 21:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

 i see major page things going on here with pictures and signs and stars and such this is a talk page bro...whatever thanks

i see one of our big people is writing about alcohol so see you lazer...see you after lee has a new thing 67.163.7.227 13:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


"big" she is "hawt" and does not get high? wtf? how to have fun? sf go to guitarists---word ! too bad we know so little about this place you know I want. go to faceb we chat bro they'll block us here

[edit] Blocked, legal threat

As per this legal threat and as per WP:NLT, this address has been blocked indefinitely. --Yamla 14:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)