User talk:65.215.37.164

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[edit] Your recent edit to the The Wire (TV series) article

Hello! Please be careful not to revert or delete the contributions of other users when editing articles, as you did here. I reverted my edit, and included the paragraph you'd previously added. I personally don't think the article needs a section for season six, because (sadly) there won't be one. If you'd like to discuss this further, we can do so here, on the article's talk page. Thanks! -- weirdoactor t|c -- 17:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If you will look again, Weirdoactor, you'll notice that I did not delete or revert your contribution. I edited one phrase regarding David Simon, and then added information about Season 6, and the possibility of the series outlasting Soul Food. I don't delete the contributions of others unless they simply don't belong there. 65.215.37.164 -- 17:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Please look at this diff; and you will see that you added back ===The Prospect of Season 6=== (as well as the web citation), although I had merged that into the season five info, as there will be no season six, thus it needs no section; in addition, the pieces of information come from the same article/source. The paragraph you added about The Wire possibly surpassing Soul Food was great; I just felt that it could be a part of the same flow as the information about ideas for season six, I hope that's okay. Also, the awards stuff you added is great! I'm hoping that the Emmys will at least NOMINATE the show for "Best Drama" this year, but I'm not holding my breath. -- weirdoactor t|c -- 17:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batman (Earth-Two)

"retcon the ADDING of NEW information to "historical" material, or deliberately changing PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED facts..." How could that possibly happen for Earth-2 Batman in 1938."

Batman is a continuously published comic book since Detective Comics #27. His story continued through 1970 until Batman of Earth-Two, a new character first appears. An established fact: Earth-One Batman's first appearance DC 27. Earth-Two Batman makes his first appearance in Justice League 70, but changing PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED facts to make his appearance in in Detective 27, and saying he is the Batman of the golden age.

But if you can't understand that, at least bring it up on

--Exvicious (talk • contribs) @ 16:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


(1) I'm not an idiot; I can certainly understand what you are saying. (2) Every single time DC has published a "Secret Files" issue or section for one of the "duplicate" characters (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Luthor, etc.), their actual debut has always been listed as their historical first appearance, and the first appearance of that version of the character in current continuity is listed as the current version's first appearance (or "retcon").

Example - SUPERMAN: historical: Action Comics #1; current: Man of Steel #1 (or Superman: Birthright #1, I'm not sure which is most applicable)

BATMAN: historical: Detective Comics #27; current: Batman #401

That what DC does, that makes the most sense logically, and DC is the primary authority on this issue. Now if the Wikipedia Comic Project has a different policy regarding this, that's another issue. But otherwise, all the pages you just mentioned have labelled the appearances incorrectly.

-- 65.215.37.164, 16:48, 17 January 2007

(FYI, they decided Man of Steel is the first appearance and more important *shrugs*)

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were an idiot, guess i just phrased that wrong. I understand your reasoning based on those articles. Although, retcon may be an inappropriate label because their not changing, in your words "pre established facts" his first appearance to the Justice League issue. What do you think of:

Historical: Detective Comics #27, On Earth-Two: Justice League #70.

Also, if you feel they're improperly labeled, how come you are only changing Batman's.

2¢...
While the argument to cite the first appearance of the progenitor character is strong, there is a difference between "current", "retcon", and "version", especially with "First appearance". "First appearance" is the first time a character, or a particular version of it, first saw print. This isn't something that can normally be retconned, save if the character's alter ego is never given (ie, a writer decides that Hero A from Creator 1 is a second identity of the earlier Hero B from Creator 2).
Giving the Batman E-2 article another look, I can see the reason to list "Historical: Detective #27". That is the first appearance of the progenitor character. I would argue though, that "This version: JLofA #82" or "Current:" are more appropriate than "Retcon:" since that is the first appearance of the S-2 version of Batman in print. Up to that point the Batman character had just one history.
— J Greb 23:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC) (Cross posted on other editor's and article's talk pages.)

[edit] Infobox standards

I suggest that you check the relevant WikiProjects for standard formatting for infoboxes. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)