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[edit] tracklisting fake

the tracklisting for the single is fake, ive deleted it, but its not real. The promo for this single hastn even been sent out to radiostations and the date of release isnt even finalized, so there is no tracklisting for the single yet. The song Candyland was added as a bonus track on the CD to start commotion on other Gwen Stefani forums as many people want that song and it has yet to be released.

Leesamio 21:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] tracklisting is real

The track listing for "4 in the Morning" is real because it says it on a website. Search "4 in the Morning" on google and you will find it there. Viven31 21:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Album Cover

Is that the real album cover?--Baker1000 10:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I take that as a no, just got removed as I posted this.--Baker1000 10:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Release Date

What is is...8 May or May 22....its very confusing.Someone please come up with a confirmed date and post the referecne or source here...in the talk page. User: luxurious.gaurav

I don't think there is a confirmed date yet. Maybe because The Sweet Escape is still in the charts.--Baker1000 11:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] chart?

howsw bout the chart positions of this single?

I checked...the song has debuted at number 87 at canadian chart...i am searching for its debut at 125...i think in UK,it is not released. User:luxurious.gaurav

Can someone confirm that it really is #2 in Russia? That just seems so random, seeing that none of Gwen's other singles have been too successful in Russia and it would be odd that it would reach #2 so fast. Its not an individual radio station site is it? NRS11 05:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

There's already a source there in the article. ShadowHalo 05:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes there is, and that source is completely in Russian, which few people on English wikipedia are probably able to read. Can someone who does understand it please confirm? NRS11 20:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to know Russian. The first column lists its current position (TW - this week) as number four. The second column lists its previous position (LW - last week) as number two. ShadowHalo 20:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

This is the last comment I'm going to make about this subject. We don't need to fight about it or anything. My concern is that the site would need to say something like "This is the official singles chart of Russia" on it to prove its legitimacy. However how can we check that something like that is written on the website when no one can read Russian? NRS11 03:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

How can we be that absolutely, positively sure of anything? Try using google translate if it bothers you. Also note that this song is different from the usual Gwen Stefani style, I don't normally like Gwen either but I love this song. 159.134.245.192 02:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Idol Gives Back

I mentioned about her performance on American Idol....she peformed the song there....why was it deleted? Luxurious.gaurav

She performs lots of times...that's her job. There doesn't appear to be any reason why this performance is by far more notable than other ones. ShadowHalo 13:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Video Chart

The video has'nt climbed the total request live chart since may 9??? User:Luxurious.gaurav

No, it hasn't reached a higher position than what's listed; in fact, it hasn't made the countdown at all in the past week. ShadowHalo 13:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canada

Why is the chart position of the song in canada deleted?User:Luxurious.gaurav

There was no source provided. And in another week, there may not be any source available to verify that it debuted at number 87. ShadowHalo 10:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Positions

I hope i was able to provide reliable sources for Pop 100 and Dance Chart.I hav'nt added the hot 100 chart reference but the sourse seems to be reliable enough as the song has not entered top 50.So its position can't be sourced.A friend of mine gets the billboard magazine and he has confirmed that the song debuted at number 75.User:Luxurious.gaurav

[edit] Complaints

Why was the previous table delted which talked about the songs position in U.S.It mentioned verything about Hot 100,Pop100 and Club Play....and it was sourced well too...

Why does the single cover keeps on changing....is this one the real one.. User:luxurious.gaurav How come the table appeared back again?User: luxurious.gaurav

Because someone keeps editing it ;). The sinle cover which is up right now is the official cover.--Baker1000 14:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The previous cover was from a promo single since the official one wasn't available yet. The other changes happened because Wikipedia is a wiki, meaning that lots of people edit it every day. For more information about wikis, you may want to read the wiki article. ShadowHalo 00:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Single?

The song is not yet released.Then how can it be called a Current Single? User:Luxurious.gaurav

It's been released to radio. And since it's also charting now, the notice that "Information is likely to change as the song remains on the charts" seems more appropriate. ShadowHalo 14:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] music video

By wiki rules, I'm curious if the community interested in publish link to Gwen's music video:

--Watchpasha 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chart

Why does somebody keeps deleting her position in the Romanian Top 100?That`s the official chart,she has a good position,so I really don`t know...Help? thesweetlamb

The table of chart positions is not for listing every singles chart (see Wikipedia:Record charts). Only major music markets should be listed there. Considering it makes up a fraction of one percent of the world market, Romania is hardly a significant music market. 17Drew 21:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh,and the finnish or swedish charts are so important?I think not!It`s not fair for Romania to be deleted just because of that.Please don`t delete her position again.
The Finnish, no. Sweden, however, is the eighteenth largest national market. Plus, in a few weeks time, there will be no way to verify the Romanian position. 17Drew 16:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is that?
Because it won't be on the chart anymore and the link won't mention "4 in the Morning" at all. 17Drew 20:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
The song has peaked at number 4 in only a month and somethin'.The song will be on this chart a long time from now.Until now this is her best position with this song in any chart.STOP DELETING PLEASE!!!It's not fair at all.
Would you mind explaining how exactly it's unfair to delete an airplay chart for a country that makes up a fraction of one percent of the world market? 17Drew 21:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The song was released in Romania-for start.If she didn't want to she woulnd't had released the song.2.The song peaked at number 4,which is one of the highest peaks of this song;3.Only when we talk about discography in general,countries like Romania shouldn't be mentioned,not when we talk about an actually song.4.All Gwen's songs released here were very succesful,except Luxurious and Crash.5.Her new album-I don't know about L.A.M.B.-peaked at number 5 in this country.So she is very succesful.Please again...
The song was released in many countries, and including minor music markets because the song did well there is POV. Plus, the peak position will be completely unverifiable once the song has left the chart. 17Drew 20:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Wrong my dear.Starting 2001 RT100 has a history chart.You just think when the song was released in Europe,and search the history of the chart.So you'll see how did the song do on the chart.
Ok stop it!!!I mean it!!!
No one has provided a reason why Romania is a major music market that should be included. Wikipedia:Record charts states that there should only be around ten countries in the table; if you disagree with that, take it to Wikipedia talk:Record charts. 17Drew 05:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
"The number of charts should include no more than ten national charts, and up to ten additional charts, but no more than eighteen charts total."Not more than eighteen so....there aren't eighteen!!!! thesweetlamb 19:18, 20 august 2007 (UTC)
As you said, "The number of charts should include no more than ten national charts." There are already twelve national charts if the United World Chart, Billboard chart, and Romanian chart aren't included. 17Drew 16:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, as an outsider who has worked with WP:CHARTS a bit, I'll try to run this down. The chart should have a maximum of eighteen items. Up to ten can be from the country of origin (that is, the country the artist comes from) AND up to ten can be from other countries. So if the artist was from the UK, and there were five UK charts used, you can include ten additional foreign charts, for a total of 15 entries. Or if ten UK charts were used (remember, no component charts allowed! This is usually only a problem for U.S. songs), you could add up to eight foreign charts, for the maximum 18 entries. As for the foreign charts, it is generally the best practice to include those charts from the largest markets, and I'd recommend the United World Chart be included as one of these ten entries, because it reflects the general worldwide standing of a particular song/album. So, based on what you have currently, I'd recommend this:

Chart (2007)
[1][2]		 Peak
position
U.S. Billboard Hot 100 54
U.S. Billboard Hot Adult Top 40 Tracks 18
U.S. Billboard Hot Dance Club Play 2
U.S. Billboard Pop 100 30
U.S. Billboard Top 40 Mainstream 16
Australian ARIA Singles Chart 9
Austrian Singles Chart 20
Canadian Hot 100 (Billboard) 17[3]
Dutch Top 40 14
German Singles Chart 18
Irish Singles Chart 5
New Zealand RIANZ Singles Chart 5
Swedish Singles Chart 30
UK Singles Chart 22
United World Chart 9

As for a current list of major markets to choose from, I will recommend the list at Wikipedia talk:Record charts#Top twenty largest music markets in the world. The above chart represents the current max number of foreign entries allowed; if you want to add another entry, you'll have to remove one first. The only two that aren't on the Top 20 markets are Ireland and New Zealand...because these are typically identified as part of the six major English-speaking countries (U.S., UK, Canada and Australia being the others), it might be difficult to justify removing them given that this is the English Wikipedia. But that is ultimately up to the local editors to debate. Any questions? -- Huntster T • @ • C 02:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

wow....ok:D.but to explain why I kept including Romania there-as you can see,the song wasn't such a hit in UK,SUA,etc.,but it ewas in Romania-it peaked at number 4.But I guess you were right.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.77.9.6 (talk) 16:03, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
I understand. However, it should be realised that high ranks aren't necessarily as important as large numbers. When compiling data for Wikipedia, we cannot look purely at what reflects positively on the subject, but, in a sense, what the widest consensus reflects. For music, this involves including the very largest foreign markets, because this normally give an idea of how the largest available cross-section of the world population feels about that album or single. It is an uncertain science, to be sure, but it's all we have! -- Huntster T • @ • C 19:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


The Romanian Chart is mentioned here: Lovestoned, The Way I Are, Big Girls Don't Cry (Fergie song), Upgrade U, Summer Love, Wait a Minute (Pussycat Dolls song), I Don't Need a Man, etc ( this 17Drew guy must have missed them...unlike this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=What_Goes_Around...Comes_Around&diff=151252243&oldid=150567359 ) so why not mention it here? SouthParkUltimateFan 03:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Lots of articles go against Wikipedia guidelines. Just click the "Random article" button and see how long it takes you to find an unreferenced article (first try for me). The solution to having poor articles is not to have more articles that go against guidelines or policies. 17Drew 03:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


He just started to remove the Romanian Chart from the articles i mentioned lol. Glad I could help :) SouthParkUltimateFan 03:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Now That You Got It

think someone should mention that the song after 4 in the morning is 'Now That You Got It', my friend said she heard it on the UK Radio, and some of my american friends assure me this will be her new single because she collaborated with Damian Marley.

Please provide a reliable source. If any known and reliable site says so, then we will add it. Thank You! Luxurious.gaurav 13:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

http://nodoubtweb.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/gwensingle.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orpheuss (talk • contribs) 18:14, July 28, 2007 (UTC)
So far as I know, posters are not considered verifiable sources. (I'm assuming that is a poster.) 17Drew 18:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
http://www.videostatic.com/vs/2007/week32/index.html#entry-37332320 Orpheuss
VideoStatic isn't a reliable source. 17Drew 21:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
ttp://www.rt100.ro/ the song just entered in Romanian Top 100.

[edit] What's this?

I've found on the internet the following pic [[1]].It's that maybe the asian or somethin cover or what? thesweetlamb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.77.9.6 (talk • contribs) 19:49, August 3, 2007 (UTC)

Last I knew, that was a fake, fan-made cover. 17Drew 20:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC:)
It looks very good.It got me confused