Talk:40-yard dash

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Three of the five citations do not exist anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DumbLoserGuy (talk • contribs) 17:56, 27 August 2006 (EDT).

The citations were simply edited wrong, they have been restored.Jbonneau 18:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Standard for mention of players

In order to mention players on this page as having allegedly run fast 40 times, it should be that their corresponding page makes such claims. This is not true in the case of Vick or Coles, they should either be removed from this page or their pages should be updated.Jbonneau 18:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the standard should be higher yet; there should be a verifiable source outside of Wikipedia for the claim. If the corresponding player article provides such a source, then we'll use that; otherwise, even if the corresponding article makes the claim, it is unsourced and should be removed if one is not provided. I will now place Template:citationneeded tags on each of the players accordingly. —Sesquialtera II (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

who is eric park? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.247.128.79 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 18 October 2006 (EDT).

Well, I ran a 4.87 so I don't compare to those guys but it is fast out there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.251.148.109 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 19 October 2006 (EDT).

To have a level playing field for these 40 times, they must reference only times taken at NFL Combine. Even those have differences, because the combine has been at Indy since 1987, one year after Bo Jackson ran his 4.12. And even at Indy, the surface changed ten years ago and times became faster across the board since. Also, there actually is no such thing as one, single "official" 40 time at the combine. National Scouting, which runs the combine, provides three times per run, two hand-held and one electronic. Each player may run twice, thereby yielding a potential six times. National Scouting provides all six of these times to NFL teams. The teams then do what they want with those times, or ignore them. Some teams use the best electronic time. Some teams throw out the fastest and slowest and average the rest. Some teams use the best time provided. And some teams use a time provided by their own scout on site. So unless somebody has the actual report showing all six times, it may be impossible to know exactly what 40 time is being reported.FCooney 01:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Eric Park is somebody of no relevance to this article. And he's a poser.

[edit] Ted Ginn Jr.

Didn't Ted Ginn Jr. run a record breaking 4.06 run? i think it should be added.Doorknob123 13:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I did a search and found a Daily News article that supports this, so I will add it. —Sesquialtera II (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Ted Ginn Jr. did not even run the 40 at this year's Indianapolis Combine. And when considering "legitimate" 40 times, it would be inappropriate to consider times turned in from various locations, conditions, methods because there are too many variables involved to consider such times as being relative. FCooney 01:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
He reportedly ran in the 4.4 (+/- 0.02) range at a pro day in Columbus. I don't have a reliable source for that. --Mr Wednesday 20:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicky Schaltz

The Nicky Schaltz link does not even work, and it's highly unlikely that a nobody could run a 4.0 forty time.

[edit] Ben Johnson's 40 yd time

The Ziegler article that was cited reports his 40 yd time as 4.38 s, which is not the 40 m time listed in this article but is also not the 40 yd time listed in this article. Any chance of getting this reconciled? --Mr Wednesday 20:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I have read on different coaching forums that Johnsons 40 yd time was 4.38 s in that race. It seems to be what most people claim so maybe it should be changed here. Sleinad 20:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Outlandishly-fast times

Players such as Randal Williams (4.04)[2], Bo Jackson (4.12)[3], Michael Bennett (4.13)[4], Jerome Mathis (4.25) [5],DeAngelo Hall (4.15)[6][7], Michael Vick (4.25),Lee Suggs (4.27)[8], Don Beebe (4.21)[9], Randy Moss (4.25)[10], Darrell Green (4.15[11], 4.2[12]), and Laveranues Coles (4.2)[13] have approached that mark.

I suggest deleting this entire sentence. We spend a lot of time in this article establishing that times below 4.20 seconds are virtually impossible to attain, yet this sentence seems to give credibility to these times with the "approached that mark" phrase. Funnyhat 17:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The American football 40-yard dash is its own reference frame; it is accepted as being different than official Olympic times, but the times are nonetheless internally coherent and are useful in comparing players. In other words, a 4.3 football 40 is slower than a 4.3 Olympic 40, but a 4.3 football 40 is still a useful and consistent measurement that means something in the world of football. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.64.32 (talk) 18:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a great point. Since we can't arbitrarily add 0.2 seconds or so to the times that NFL people are claiming, it should be noted in the article even more specifically that NFL times are not comparable to Olympic times, due to the hand timing reasons mentioned in the article. Radishes (talk) 17:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism removed

As far as I can tell, Jerry Rice is not "a homo." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.120.244.109 (talk) 03:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No sources

This article does not cite any of its sources, and frankly many of the 40 times quoted are extremely suspect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean10mm (talk • contribs) 19:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs to be rewritten

This page is just plain bad. I came here to learn about the 40-yard dash and got an unintelligible mish-mash of uncited numbers and suspect logic. Needs heavy editing, at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.154.18 (talk) 05:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Completely agree with the above post. The article in particular breaks down near the end. I've noticed something of a trend in sports articles on Wikipedia - sports topics that aren't especially notable seem to have been repeatedly edited by fans and followers of the sport in question, resulting in a mish-mash of contradictory facts and opinions. Radishes (talk) 17:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hester?

Is he really the "... now considered one of the best kick returners in NFL history and holds numerous return records." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.33.43 (talk) 21:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is actually "Fast"?

It would seem, after much reading and research, that the 4.3 is not impossible, just not nearly as likely as folks would have you believe.

So, if you are a skill position player in the NFL, and run a fully electronically timed 40 yd dash in the 4.6's, you are NOT slow, one might say you're a step faster than most. 4.7's = Average. If you run in the 4.5's, you are FAST. In the 4.4's, you are VERY FAST. In the 4.3's, you should be in the OLYMPICS, 4.2's means you are either lying or you have been hand timed by a coach with an itchy finger.

Conversely, the definition of "FAST" for collegiate times can be rolled back a tenth, and high school times an additional tenth or two, from those above numbers.

But nobody will go to full-scale electronic timing, just because no one wants to be seen as slow compared to the times they read about. Hand timing will always reign. Ideally coaches should time their players in full pads, on grass, over 25 yards to get a true read of how fast their guys are. But that will never happen. So, just be smart enough to take the times you read about with a grain of salt....for instance 4.57 backwards? Please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deke49 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 3.9??

The fastest ever recorded was Joey Galloway in a individual workout with the Seattle Seahawks before they drafted him. He ran a 3.9.

Going to have to see a reference for the 3.9 claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.234.10.144 (talk) 10:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)